It is more money for the courts. Not really restitution to society.

Will Facebook change its policies? No.

How can it be restitution if it doesn't help the victims?

pssst, don't challenge the narrative. The "we hate corporations and billionaires" cult must not be disturbed.

I am sure they will figure something out in whatever jurisdictions they find advantageous. =3

It’s a cat face emoticon

wah!

But they are less violent.

Erotica != porn...

What is the difference between erotica and porn?

I am no expert, however, the former requires and stimulates the imagination, whereas the latter doesn't do that, everything is shown and nothing is left to the imagination.

From my experience of the 'stumbleupon' (a link-sharing site from many years ago), I would describe the saucy pictures women collected/liked as erotica rather than porn. Clearly porn would not make it to Stumbleupon, however, erotica tended to be collected by women rather than men.

This is just anecdotal observation from a few years ago.

Fundamentally, Western culture objectifies women (for profit) whereas other cultures don't necessarily do that, to consider porn as degenerate.

There is also local culture. Compare the boy that has strong women in their life and attends a mixed school with the boy that has older brothers but no sisters, goes to all-boys schools and is exposed to 'DJT locker room talk' (that would not never wash at the mixed school). The former is going to find porn to be cringeful and boring, whereas the latter gets hooked, particularly if they have a weak father figure that is into porn.

In the USA there is an incredible amount of sex and violence in the media. Just because it is all around, American women are going to be 'ambient' consumers of porn, with partners that think that watching porn with their partners is okay. I am not disputing your 'third of consumers' statistic, however, there are parts of the world where women have some 'immunity' to it.

As an aside, we all have our price and I did do some work for Playboy many aeons ago. I thought this would be a career limiting move, however, the Playboy people behind the camera were all women, extremely intelligent and a joy to work with. We didn't have full nudity, with the women in front of the camera being down to earth, friendly and not what I had 'feared'.

Playboy also had the articles, some of which would not be touched by the mainstream media, enabling Playboy to be a platform for whistleblowers, whilst giving some 'plausible deniability' for readers.

There’s a single naked woman in it. No hard bum, oral, every cavity sex. Have you ever held a Playboy magazine in your hand?

it contained significantly less extreme content. There's studies on kids as young as 12 routinely being exposed to sexual violence, practices such as choking or degrading activity in porn and viewing it as so normal that young women report being expected to take part in it. Fetishes and kinks that were reserved for adults are now normalized among teens.

"In an essay published in The Free Press in August, 16-year-old Isabel Hogben described how, by the time she was in 4th grade, she had seen internet porn featuring “simulated incest, bestiality, extreme bondage, sex with unconscious women, gangbangs, sadomasochism and unthinkable physical violence.” This is not an isolated case: A French government task force on equality recently reported that as much as 90% of online pornography features “verbal, physical and sexual violence toward women.”

Playboy wasn't necessarily a beacon of feminism (although sometimes surprisingly it was) but what young people are exposed to is in an entirely different category.

https://archive.ph/CPeNz

> The problem is the lack of proper sexual education in schools and open dialogue in society because we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy

The UK has a lot of sex education, no such taboos, and is the home of OnlyFans. Are any of the problems you mention better in the UK than the US?

> Kill all the porn sites and you also kill any site that provides education about sex and gender issues (which society won't,) especially for gay and transgender kids,

There is no reason this has to be true.

Sex education is, outside of some places in Europe, very rare. You'll certainly find such things far and few between in Asia. So not only is it absent in non-Christian nations, but the places where it is present, like Scandiland for ex, tend to be Christian.

Porn, let alone fetish porn, has a big problem because all the actors, including "amateur", are not only 'heavily used' and completely desensitized, but also the sort of people willing to publicly share video of themselves having sex. And so anybody taking any sort of que from there, whatsoever, has no clue what normal sex or normal relations look like.

I think it's important to make a distinction between actual porn sites and sites that just have people talking about LGBTQ stuff. I'm trans and me and my spouse don't want our kids to watch porn.

“ we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy, and they learn to see their own self worth as a function of their sexual prowess, and women as sexual currency.”

Holy…what the actual…get out of my head. Where can I read more about this idea/how to recover from this type of upbringing? Please?

Lol I have never met someone in my adult life in the usa who was strictly for abstinence before marriage. You are extremely overstating the taboo of it here.

“Kill all the porn sites and you also kill any site that provides education about sex and gender issues (which society won't,) especially for gay and transgender “*kids*”

What?

Why are sites about women's health issues posting porn, exactly?

Huge blind spot to think that content only affects men’s view of intimacy and sexual relations

Explain that one for the class

Its a common conception but today is your lucky day to articulate it

The first two videos listed on PornHub.com are "FUCK THE CONDOM! Skinny Blonde Girl Opens HER LITTLE ASSHOLE FOR MY BIG COCK" and "2 Friends Want to Try an African Dick in the Ass for the First Time While They're Pissed On and Humiliated."

The First Amendment makes this kind of stuff borderline impossible to regulate in the US, but it's pretty obvious that this stuff is harmful to people's brains and that society would be better off it was not available to people (especially minors).

Following this logic in context of GP's hypothetical, your son would end up taking heroin with his classmates covertly because he knows his father doesn't approve of it...

The point that (I think) GP was making is that it's impossible to raise kids in a different world than their peers. If their peers all have phones, your kid gets left out if he doesn't have a phone. If society bans smart-phones for kids under 15, there's nothing to be left out of since none of them have it.

Are you helicoptering your children 24/7 when their out of school?

This is the human equivalent of "simply write code with no bugs". If you can't figure out how to write code without bugs, you think you can cause a human being in a complex environment to do exactly what you want against all influences?

How effective are you at controlling anyone in your life, including yourself? If we're really honest, we have a moderate amount of control of ourselves within strict limits (sleep, food, water, temperature, hormones, organ function, etc.). We have little to no actual control of others, we can only try to create incentives / structures to coax behavior we desire.

Posted study in comment below, but actually harsher parenting tends to result in more rebellious behavior.

Maybe a counter point: would you work better for a boss that was up your ass constantly and forcing you to work on stuff you didn't want? I've found I'm more effective when incentives are aligned and my boss is supportive and collaborative. Same works for parenting.

Apologies in advance, but this reads like someone who hasn't actually had kids. Keep in mind that people who have kids still only have a small number, and there is luck involved.

You can't decide that they will eat their vegetables.

You can't decide that they are going to be diligent in doing their homework.

And you can't decide whether they take an interest in what society shows them.

Yes, you can open your mouth, spilling out your years of experience, and you can make incentives like offering dessert when they eat their meals.

But that's all you can really do. If there are posters everywhere telling kids to jump off bridges, what are you to do? Stop your kids from looking at them? Just try to talk to them, explaining how big bridge is just there to get your money?

Anyone who has kids knows that they can't control them. You are very dependent on the rest of society behaving.

Do your children have phones?

Sure you can argue the nuances, however this is missing the forest for the trees.

Children don’t grow up in a vacuum. They see how their peers operate, what they talk about, what they are playing with.

Not being able to do that marks you as an outsider.

And when the “toys” we are talking about are phones, video games, and social media, it isn’t just a question of a one off argument or rule.

I have seen a 1 year old, whose parents keep him away from screens and tech, get hypnotized by swiping the screen of an Apple Watch on his aunt’s hand.

SV and Tech had the most money, most people, and the ability to test and scale every idea to figure out what would enrapture adult human brains.

This is not any sort of fair fight. A competition where the old approaches to family and child rearing win against the Tech that has been created.

Many companies got regulated to hell and back, as a result.

There are no meth companies, the cigarette industry is regulated as far as we can take it, opiates and medication is regulated with punitive damages levied (once evidence passes a threshold). Gambling is highly regulated (and prediction markets will be as well, eventually)

I don’t remember off the top of my head, but I believe even reward programs will have regulations surrounding them.

Above all else: What we did with social media, lootboxes and phones, was unprecedented.

The safety people brought up the issues in the firms, and the final decision that had to be taken was to ensure shareholder returns.

Not really

Some number of people might make these available to kids, but it's certainly nowhere near "freely"

I find it amusing that you think that anyone trying to declare themselves an authority does so on a moral basis.

> I think a lot of us probably would agree that pornographic content is generally bad for society.

Speak for yourself. The science of it seems to be a mixed bag with definite pros and cons.

You're talking about something that is also intrinsic to humanity. It takes no resources. Good luck with that.

That wouldn't solve his issue, though: all of those countries have gore and porn

Maybe Utah or UAE would be a better fit for this.

As I got older I began to recognize that some things are just bad for society at large.

My refraining from a thing doesn't fix the societal ill the thing causes.

> Why do you think that you should decide for others what they should view?

Why not? Some people decide for others on abortion, some driving, some alcohol and drugs. Some people decide how much the government is allowed to steal from us.

Why wouldn’t I think I should decide for others?

The problem is, what if one of these apps is being used as a messaging app? Hardly social media if most of your usage is just using it to DM friends/family, a la texting.

Parental controls and occasionally sitting down with kids to review social media content together will still always be the correct approach, but it's hard, and the government can't mandate parents take the correct approach when it's so high-friction.

You got me there. I assumed they were different because the damages were different in all 3 links.

In my defense though, they didn't pay, so the court upped the amount. It's still not their "first time". Here, I found this using Google too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuits_involving_Meta_Platfo...

Well for one thing SMS isn’t bundled with addictive apps that constantly try to lure you into traps against your better judgement.