x313
14 hours ago
For those who don't know what's going on in Korea, KOSPI is up 3x in the last year and a large amount of HBM employees have made huge amounts of bonus pay. This has led to an insane FOMO frenzy in a society that's already very competitive.
Add to that, stock gains in Korea are often used to finance housing purchases (or real estate investment) so many retail investors are scared of being "locked out" of housing (which is a requisite status symbol for dating or marriage) if they're not making the same capital gains others are.
Currently Korean social media is full of stories of leveraged day traders who've gotten rich the past year, HBM employees who've made bonuses worth decades of salary (e.g. memes of Samsung employees in luxury cars), etc. Lots of comments along the lines of "everyone is getting rich except me". It's all reminiscent of the crypto frenzy in the US a few years ago but way more intense and concentrated.
aunty_helen
13 hours ago
I wish we had a word for this, where everyone’s getting rich, there’s a run on stocks, but prices of assets are all going up. Some people are missing out completely whereas a select few hoard wealth in other forms. And of course the government starting to notice and trying to intervene.
krackers
10 hours ago
Tulip mania!
uncivilized
13 hours ago
Irrational Exuberance
rcbdev
13 hours ago
Exoptable Money.
anukin
12 hours ago
Roaring 20s?
inigyou
9 hours ago
Capitalism?
stickfigure
13 hours ago
> housing (which is a requisite status symbol for dating or marriage
I get that culture is hard to change, but it still seems easier than changing the economics. There are men and women out there who presumably are interested in partnering up; at some point you'd think biology will take over irrespective of which achievements have been unlocked. What's stopping them?
xboxnolifes
11 hours ago
You think status signaling isn't part of biology? That it just happened to independently appear in every human culture and many animals that we are aware of?
xtiansimon
6 hours ago
> “…status signaling isn't part of biology?”
It’s just a short-cut. The most ostentatious courtships of bird species are found in populations without significant predators. Evolution has granted this as advantage, because they don’t need to screech and squawk and hide from predators.
Take the Birds-of-paradise from New Guinea as the archetype.
xboxnolifes
2 hours ago
I will take the birds of paradise as the extreme, single example of signaling that it is.
Of course signaling is a short cut. You cant transmit your entire lifes experiences to another people in an instant. You signal and read signals.
lottin
12 hours ago
Social status is a big part of what makes a person attractive especially if you're a man.
stickfigure
10 hours ago
Sure, but - by definition - half the population is below average social status. At least here in the US, those people are still partnering up.
spwa4
10 hours ago
Oh, you forget - we lie about social status, including to ourselves. Women and men. And as for what determines status ... first rule of social interaction: you can't ask a woman her age and you can't ask a man his wage (in other words: humans are social animals and this information is only available through playing the social game of deception).
So in practice 80% or so of the population is below "average social status". People who don't absolutely need to pair up (historically women can't earn, but require, money and men can't take care of a home/place to sleep, but have to), will refuse to pair up with someone below their signaled social status. In other words: there are TWO average social statuses. First, there is what people believe their own social status is. Second there is what people, on average, see as others social status.
In a "natural" human society, it's basically impossible for anyone over 25 or so to "pair up", unless they have a partner, which is not common at all. Since social status ALSO determines the distribution of food, at that point the first real period of weakness (you get sick, you hurt your leg, you ...) is the end. You can delay this by forming cliques, but not by that much.
Oh and of course, that has an analog in our society. Look how much a plumber gets paid (ie. it's pretty disappointing), despite the shortage. There are low status and high status jobs, and even where it doesn't make sense they determine pay. E.g. there are a lot of cities with a total glut of lawyers ... it makes no sense to give 7 figure wages for people when 70% of whom can't find work, but we do. By contrast there is an incredible shortage of construction workers, and still they're not paid half what a lawyer gets. Rather we'll get immigrants to do it. Why? Because a great many people would rather signal that they're above manual labor than get 7 figures a year.
In other words: I will live in destitution rather than admit I'm low social status, even if low social status would pay well.
Oh and don't forget credit cards: 80%+ of people worldwide consider feeling rich (and showing off) more important than, ironically, money. Note also the many complaints about the economy, which are never about having or not having money, the big complaint seen everywhere is that people who don't have money "feel poor". One might think it should be perfectly normal to not have money and feel poor.
Which also is the big lesson in investment that's coming up: countries will raise inflation to any level rather than cut expenditures. That's how we got to 20% inflation in the 80s. That's how Argentina or even Zimbabwe got there. Ie: when we're getting close to that point, for the love of God, don't buy government bonds.
Preventing obvious human habits from destroying us seems to me the best reason to really give developing AI your best effort. Because the whole "job destruction" argument has a hole in it you could fit a planet through: people don't want to do the destroyed jobs. What do you think is the best: AI taking jobs? Or, that we force young people into nursing, plumbing, construction, ... through more and more extreme measures and making everyone a lot poorer? That's how the system rebalances after all, make people poorer until the plumbing gets done.
Those are the choices. AI it is. At least for me.
dumberquestions
2 hours ago
I think we're underestimating how relatively recent these social phenomena are.
Just a few decades ago, the average person had very limited exposure to people outside of their immediate town (outside of celebrities and public figures), which really grounds your standards and expectations of other people. Spend 5 minutes in any social media or dating app today and average people around you will start to look severely below average.
There was also stronger cultural pressure to settle down by a certain age, which again, forces you to be more realistic with your options. The tldr is that Our Paleolithic biology has only so much capacity to adapt to today’s rapidly changing culture and environment.
numpad0
12 hours ago
System of education? The current form of it have nudges and blockers everywhere to stop population explosion leading us all into Soylent Green type situation.
readthenotes1
12 hours ago
I thought Biology drives coupling, not partnering.
Porn and 4B divert coupling...
mock-possum
11 hours ago
What’s ‘4B’?
pas
10 hours ago
inigyou
9 hours ago
This is civilization-level apoptosis. The civilization detects that it is broken and makes room for a properly functioning one to take over.
eudamoniac
4 hours ago
I'd say it's more citizen-level apoptosis. These women are the ones exiting the gene pool, not the whole civilization.
But also 4B is an outsized meme especially in the west. It's like furries. We all know about them, but they are not typical people who you can draw conclusions about the civilization from.
user
13 hours ago
cyanydeez
8 hours ago
They've also driven a noticeable drop in stock prices in the closing minutes that have been used by quant algos to squeeze even more money out of the market as the leverage is a unmanaged algo that was predictable and could be driven up before it had to force trades.
It's not just the gambling of people, but the systematic use of bots to squeeze leveraged vehicles.
vasco
13 hours ago
Housing usually is needed for living. Not a status symbol for dating. I see how it can help the same way as not starving to death will also help with dating, but the framing is odd.
anovikov
13 hours ago
With housing their being so cheap, what the hell is the problem anyway? It's impossible to have expensive real estate in a country that's dying out fast.
timoshishi
12 hours ago
Housing is incredibly expensive. Roughly half of Korea lives and works in the Seoul metro area. The average salary is roughly 40,000 USD and the average apartment (maybe 84 square meters) is over 1 million USD.
Government efforts to cool housing inflation have resulted in a 40 percent minimum down payment for a mortgage.
Housing in Seoul and much of Gyeonggi is a pipe dream for most
anovikov
11 hours ago
Well it's their problem if everyone wants to live in the capital. Perhaps it's another manifestation of people being deeply irrational.
Barrin92
13 hours ago
>It's impossible to have expensive real estate
no it's very possible because in an aging country people relocate to a handful of cities. 50% of South Korea's population now lives in the Seoul metropolitan area. The real estate that's getting cheaper is the one decaying in the countryside.
It's like saying Russia can't have expensive real estate because the country is big, what matters is where people are actually moving.
SturgeonsLaw
13 hours ago
Cities in Australia consistently rank in the top 5 most expensive real estate indices and we ain't short of space here, it's just not many people are interested in living in a dusty Outback desert.
And for many, if the property is not within 10km of the Sydney or Melbourne city centre, it might as well be in the dusty Outback desert.
apparent
13 hours ago
I'd think Starlink will help change this. Not for living in the actual dusty Outback (which has its own risks/dangers/inconveniences), but for living in many other places in Australia that are lovely and not too far from desirable areas.
atwrk
12 hours ago
Most people want to live where other people live, for reasons ranging from social connections to access to services and infrastructure. I doubt broadband access access plays even a small role.
apparent
11 hours ago
Yeah, like I said, not talking about the boonies. There are plenty of lovely places that are >10km from those two cities, but which are still close enough to services and infrastructure.
anovikov
11 hours ago
But indeed Moscow is one of the cheapest cities to buy housing in Europe... On par with poorer East European capitals and second-tier Central European cities.
oefrha
12 hours ago
Huh? According to https://seoulhomes.kr/en/properties/prices/, in Q1 2026, the average apartment in Seoul sells for ~₩1.2B, ~₩45M per 3.3sqm, that's ~840k USD and ~9.6k USD per sqm or ~900 USD per sqft, in what world is that cheap?
Population can age fast while the supply of desirable places to live still doesn't meet demand.