> Unlike many community non-profits (including the Python Software Foundation), Ruby Central does not hold elections for their board of directors.

The PSF is a hellhole where everyone tries to cancel each other. People like David Mertz and Steve Holden [1] who supported other cancellations were cancelled themselves. And of course Tim Peters for opposing other cancellations.

You are only secure in the corporate inner circle, just like in Ruby. Even there Google got tired of the antics and fired Python core developers.

You use the PSF to gain influence and get a high salary with minimal work, inside and outside Python.

[1] The one-eyed snake (stuffed animal) "incident" PSF director.

> lost 3 of 3 members of the Open Source Committee (Gabi, Mike, Ufuk)

This is rich given they left in big part because of how much abuse they have received by "supporters" of André & co...

That’s a heck of a thing for somebody to go through. I’m sorry man.

I thought Ruby Central were/had put this stuff behind them.

why are they still threatening to sue Andre Arko, and reporting him to the fbi?!

When I saw the postmortem or whatever it was called from schneems (and when I heard/saw he was involved and what he was doing) I really thought things were moving in the right direction.

Did Arko ever explain why he was trying to sell access to Rubygem's web access logs?

I'm still heartbroken by how this has turned out, and it doesn't feel like things have gotten better over the last 9-10 months. I really feel in 10-20 years we will look back at these events as a dark time for this community. I hope to still be writing Ruby in that future. I hope the wounds here, both personal and professional, actually get healed.

The days of "Matz is nice, so we are nice" seem a distant memory of a bygone era. I suppose because they are.

I was always a fan of Ruby syntax. With all the unsettled business this has flung up, though, I've moved more to Crystal. Once a language org starts playing fast and loose with lawyers, it is hard to tell where it is going to wind up.

I checked and yes, dayssincerubydrama.com is saying 0

a lot of tragic things keep happening to the ruby ecosystem.

the language has improved in the recent additions - ractors, it's faster now & always a pleasure to write.

however the ruby ecosystem has a tendency to deny reality - ruby is falling down rankings - people deny that's false but everything points to that.

the ecosystem is not willing to move away from rails. & DHHs antics don't help either.

Tragic

Btw, I heard Matz&co had taken over rubygems.org, right?

Meanwhile, bundler and rubygems are being maintained ably, if not better, by hsbt.

On some singular points I disagree with Arko. For instance, the bundler/gem situation - while he mentions the trademark issue, and I have no comment to make about this, ruby itself naturally should provide and have a use case for distributing code to other people. Other languages have that too, see Rust + cargo.

On other points I agree, and it is really unfortunate how things changed. I remember having used ruby before gems existed; then I think four guys (if I recall correctly) created gems within some days. From there it became more widely used.

Fast forward some time, until recently, and things really changed to the worse. The first time I noticed this was when suddenly shopify corporate hackers spawned over everywhere and, strangely enough, tried to dictate corporate behaviour and rules onto the ruby ecosystem. Tons of ruby devs were all employed by shopify, and shopify here behaved very strangely overall. The isssues were not the same as github and then github-Microsoft - something is really strange with shopify. One shopify corporate dev demanded that everyone must verify who they are before publishing to rubygems; another shopify dev tried to lecture me in how to use the official ruby tracker. I used that one for almost 15 years before and some young 20-years older corporate hacker suddenly tries to lecture people +twice their own age. Then suddenly the rules for rubygems.org also changed, to appease a corporate agenda:

https://rubygems.org/policies

They can hijack gems and not bother to notify you. (Naturally they need to be able to distribute the code, otherwise the gem ecosystem would make no sense, but look at the legalese crap - that is now a project under corporate control.)

What made me actually retire, after trying to talk some sense into these new accounts that seized control, was the 100.000 download limit. Past that point I can no longer remove my code (unless I delete my profile, which I did, since I don't accept shopify or whoever else hijack my code; note that on github I can remove my own code no matter how many downloads occurred. I also told rubygems.org to host gems THEY want to offer themselves, rather than abuse and force-restrict ruby developers as the 100k download limit was. That was the year before Hiroshi Shibata mass-purged ruby developers.)

The real tragedy, though, is not the in-fight between Arko and RubyCentral, whoever is the new corporate Overlord. The real tragedy is that financial interests can totally pwn an ecosystem. And unfortunately, I am also 100% certain that Hiroshi Shibata did not act on his own but had direct approval by matz, which makes this even more problematic. But anyway, I think rather than dwell on the past, one another disagreement I have with arko is that there indeed has to be a way to move forward. This won't be easy. IMO, the structure of ruby should be changed, to completely disentangle any financial interest that keeps on driving policy changes. That is, in my opinion, the biggest issue - while I blame shopify for the most part, the whole situation could be exploited by any other big money giver too. That's not good. That's not healthy. That should change.

The whole notion of constantly shuffling in different people into RubyCentral, in hope that this will "fix everything" ... is naive. That's not going to work. IMO, the better approach was when gems was run by people from the community. Yes, I understand the issue of funding and time allocation so I am not saying it has to be the way it used to be, even though I found the early days of ruby + gems MUCH much better than the shopify era (I am not even going into what DHH writes - even AI would get angry at having to write what DHH writes nowadays).

Unfortunately this is now a chicken-egg problem, because ruby is struggling - and declining, let's be honest here. The language in and by itself is great and I don't think anyone ever claimed otherwise about the language itself, it is well-designed. But the ecosystem changed, both due to external and internal reasons, and it has not changed to the better, IMO.