bashtoni
8 hours ago
And unlike OpenAI, Anthropic don't seem to reset weekly usage quotas after an outage.
Anthropic seem to be both letting their competitors outplay them and making unforced errors (like the anti Open Weights models stuff and the frequent Fable->Opus downgrades for 'safety').
Outages are inevitable in this early high growth, rapid development era, but tactical errors are not.
cbg0
8 hours ago
Anthropic would give out resets like OpenAI if they had capacity to do so, it's not like they haven't thought about doing the obvious.
OAI waits until overall cluster demand goes down before giving out a reset, they just happen to have much more spare capacity than Anthropic.
smoe
7 hours ago
Over the last couple months, I’ve gotten the impression that OAI does indeed have the better infra setup and team, not just more capacity.
I don’t think Codex’s 99.98% uptime vs Claude Code’s 99.44%, is just due to OAI having more hardware to run it on.
CuriouslyC
6 hours ago
OAI 100% has a stronger engineering culture than Anthropic. You can see it in the evolution of Codex vs Claude Code as well.
odo1242
2 hours ago
Having more servers does help more than you think though. us-east-1 is the AWS region with the most downtime by a large margin simply because it’s the region with the highest demand.
Having too much demand on limited servers means that less of those servers are going to be available for redundancy.
gunalx
an hour ago
Isn't us-east-1 also an early rollout region for new stuff as well?
genidoi
7 hours ago
Why would they have more spare capacity than Anthropic? Do you have a source for that?
chaos_emergent
6 hours ago
If you watch the Dwarkesh interview with Dario, he is extremely conservative with compute allocation as of early 2026, where Sam has been compute-pilled for at least 3 years[1] and believes that we’re going to have several OOMs more FLOPs in the near future than we have today.
You can also get a drift of it in their announcements - OpenAI has been far more aggressive in datacenter build-out partnerships as a more top-down allocation strategy since 2024, and Anthropic has rented out existing compute from infrastructure-heavy companies that are losing the model race in what seems like a more desperate ad-hoc compute acquisition strategy.
In all, Dario’s conservatism was in service of not going bankrupt, but any inspection of his argument that an overallocation of compute a year too early results in bankruptcy falls flat: there’s so much demand for mechanized intelligence in the world today that it’s easy to rent out compute if you have too great a supply.
[1]: recall that he was trying to court the saudis into investing $1T to build his own chips
lilytweed
6 hours ago
Anthropic being very conservative about purchasing compute was a core theme of Dario's spot at NYT Dealbook in December[1]. At the time, he cast it as being wise and waiting to see where the chips fall. I'd say he might be regretting that position a bit now.
usef-
6 hours ago
In previous years Sam's huge hardware deals were seen as a crazy example of the bubble but currently are looking rather fortunate.
Though Dario's reasoning still applies this year, as the scale keeps increasing. Very interesting to know how it will go.
bob1029
7 hours ago
> According to the memo, which was reported by Bloomberg and CNBC, OpenAI put its own 2025 capacity at 1.9 gigawatts — a figure it said was three times what it had the year before — and placed Anthropic's equivalent figure at 1.4 gigawatts. OpenAI told investors it foresees its own footprint climbing into the "low-double-digit range" of gigawatts within a year and hitting 30 gigawatts by 2030, and that Anthropic would top out somewhere between seven and eight gigawatts before the close of 2027.
https://qz.com/openai-investor-memo-compute-advantage-anthro...
tjoff
7 hours ago
Interesting, but also wholly incomplete without knowing how effective the respective models are and how much people are actually using them.
dchftcs
7 hours ago
They were famous for committing to buying compute with future money that many people thought they would go bankrupt. Anthropic was afraid of going bankrupt and didn't do the same.
ACCount37
5 hours ago
And then Anthropic had to go around, knock at every door and ask every neighbor for whether they have any spare compute to sell.
odo1242
an hour ago
OpenAI has been way more aggressive about capacity than anyone else (as evidenced by the fact that it was them that caused the RAM price spike)
cbg0
7 hours ago
https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/openai-lift...
There's less clear info about this from Anthropic's side, but given their frequent issues and lack of resets and overall less usage given to users on their subscriptions plans, it's a pretty simple conclusion to draw.
hangrybear666
7 hours ago
Maybe because they committed to buy up 40% of the world's RAM supply by themselves and completely overestimated demand.
solenoid0937
7 hours ago
extremely well known fact in the industry. they have reams of spare compute for prosumers which is why they can afford to give away so many resets and have even more subsidized usage limits
we are in the "millennial lifestyle subsidy" era for AI where companies ruthlessly undercut each other in an attempt to win marketshare, before then ratcheting up prices
solenoid0937
8 hours ago
It was a one hour outage on a weekend. Unless you have an enterprise agreement with an SLA it's a bit silly to expect any compensation.
londons_explore
8 hours ago
If I pay anything for a service, I expect a refund if that service doesn't work.
Best would be a free week/month for anyone who sent a request during the downtime.
solenoid0937
7 hours ago
> Best would be a free week/month for anyone who sent a request during the downtime
This is bizarrely out of touch. It would be a courtesy but it's not a "reasonable expectation" at all.
At best you could maybe reasonably expect a prorated refund for the time of unavailability, but then Fable was still available.
ShinTakuya
7 hours ago
I think it's not out of bounds to expect a company to go a little further to compensate for an issue. A prorated 1 hour refund doesn't reflect the reality that maybe that hour was more important to the customer because it was their only free time in the week. A free week is way too much but a free day sounds appropriate.
londons_explore
7 hours ago
If there is a hole in the street and you fall down it, you wouldn't expect a refund just for the 1 second it would have taken you to drive over that hole.
Instead you should be compensated for your losses - the time and money it took you to repair that tyre.
Same with a web service. If I pay for 24 * 7 service and it's not working when I go to use it, I want compensation for my time and effort resolving the matter.
For some that'll be small - eg. Searching Google instead, taking 30 seconds. For others it'll be a big headache.
But downtime of 1 hour is almost certainly more costly for the consumer than 1/30/24 * subscription price.
solenoid0937
6 hours ago
Yeah, no, that's not how any of this works. This is the definition of inflated self importance!
Your contract doesn't have an SLA. If you are important enough, you can certainly negotiate one - and it will be far more expensive than your prosumer subscription.
And even then you will not get a 1:168 or 1:720 SLA like you are expecting - that's simply ludicrous and totally out of touch with every reality. Even if you were a lucrative enterprise customer (which you are not) they'd tell you to get lost.
> If there is a hole in the street and you fall down it, you wouldn't expect a refund just for the 1 second
Actually, you wouldn't get a refund at all unless you suffer damage or injury, which is an high bar to prove in court and a totally separate ball game.
1123581321
4 hours ago
You do see that ratio in, for example, business Internet service. You’ll get a month’s credit immediately upon asking if they can also see the brief outage. Even typically awful Comcast was good about this. However, as you note, in exchange, you’ve probably signed a two or three year agreement with them and you’d owe the balance if you canceled early.
furyofantares
2 hours ago
If you pay anything for a service you expect a refund on the order of hundreds of hours of credit (168 in a week) for every hour of downtime?
gozucito
7 hours ago
I’d be happy with just some credits.
Enough to offset any KV cache miss expenses is the absolute minimum.
The smart play is to refund customers something like $20-50 worth of unsubsidized credits.
Those are high margin and only the equivalent of 45 minutes of Fable usage once the KV cache reload costs are factored in.
Yet customers often need a few credits to finish a job without waiting 5 hours or days for their reset.
Keep in mind openAI already gives me free resets I can use when I want which are very useful to me. Seems a no brainer to tack those to subscriptions, actually.
It gives the user a little more flexibility, a little more control over their tools.
Azantys
7 hours ago
Free month is insane for a bit of downtime
einsteinx2
4 hours ago
They’re down so often that if they gave a free month every time they’d have no paying customers lol.
jm4
5 hours ago
Are you crazy? Do you realize how much use they allow under a subscription already? I’m going through $200-400 in tokens per day on a $200/month subscription. Nobody has ever said anything, throttled me, encouraged me to go to API pricing, etc.
I wish it didn’t go down so frequently, but it does. Still, I get an enormous amount of value. I realize they probably prioritize API users over subscribers and I’m ok with that. I use the API and openrouter for the things that need to be resilient to outages.
I would be embarrassed to try to ask for a refund or free credits. They already give credits far in excess of what you pay for and you have practically the entire month to use them outside of a couple hours of downtime.
bigDinosaur
7 hours ago
What you expect is irrelevant.
anonzzzies
6 hours ago
So many companies have shitloads of downtime and do not compensate. Usually they blame you if they can.
close04
7 hours ago
Not that it wouldn’t be a nice gesture but what did you agree when you bought the service? What’s the SLA? What’s the compensation model, service credits? Do you have anything like “for 1h downtime you get 2h for free”?
When you miss 1h of your job, do you give back a month for free?
throwaway314155
8 hours ago
They could at least give back the equivalent in usage for cache invalidation. Or, you know, just the usage you would have had for the ~1-2 hours of outage. Would buy them a lot of good will and they seem comfortable throwing cash in the trash.
solenoid0937
7 hours ago
> Would buy them a lot of good will and they seem comfortable throwing cash in the trash.
I think Anthropic is past this point. They are trying to get to profitability. They literally don't have enough compute to serve their demand.
OpenAI on the other hand I can totally see doing this. They need to gain marketshare and gain it fast or they're screwed.
matt-p
6 hours ago
Yeah I agree, I understand a weekly reset in some cases could be over the top but if they did a 5-hour reset and took 20% off your weekly usage that would offset the additional cost/inconvenience for most users.
stevefan1999
2 hours ago
Yeah, they can't guarantee a SLA and cost reimbursement policy, such a shame
hedgehog
3 hours ago
They do reset weekly quotas periodically, I'm not sure how they determine when.
theptip
2 hours ago
And yet demand outstrips supply; so they must be underpricing for the quality level they are hitting.
anon_anon12
7 hours ago
Anthropic going through their god-complex arc after getting hit with export controls