Tile's security is so bad it's a feature for stalkers

155 pointsposted 13 hours ago
by sambellll

43 Comments

mspecter

10 hours ago

Last author on the paper here (https://arxiv.org/pdf/2510.00350). Happy to answer any questions!

6stringmerc

10 hours ago

Thanks! Have you considered evaluating the “AppClose” platform in a similar fashion? It is used in family / civil cases to my knowledge. Perhaps another worthwhile avenue of study, perhaps not. Thank you for your time.

mspecter

10 hours ago

Interesting! Hadn't heard of it.

ollien

10 hours ago

It's interesting to me that other trackers have end-to-end encryption. I wouldn't have expected it but makes sense for the threat model.

> Providerslike Apple and Google achieve location indistinguishability by end-to-end encrypting location information using a public key embedded in BLE advertisements emitted by a tag

Though it makes me wonder... What's the private key? If the public key is attached to the tag, how is the device getting it? I'm guessing it gets shared during pairing.

mspecter

10 hours ago

In general, yes! We did some follow on work explaining how all of this works, depending on the provider: https://petsymposium.org/popets/2026/popets-2026-0113.pdf

ollien

10 hours ago

Very cool! I only skimmed Section 4 a bit, but that's really cool!

I was going to ask how the web UIs possibly work if the location is indistinguishable, but I went to the Google Find Hub, and it appears you can't view the location for tags unless you enter your phone's pin code / pattern lock. This must either communicate with the phone or the keys are stored on Google's end.

EDIT: I turned my phone off, and I can still get the location of my keys... surely this doesn't mean the key is stored on their end? Wouldn't be very good E2EE in that case :)

izacus

9 hours ago

The encryption key is derived from your PIN, it doesn't need to access the phone to do a new derivation.

miki123211

9 hours ago

AFAIK, there's a pre-shared key exchanged during pairing, and you then calculate keypairs based on (key, timestamp).

Rotating your keypairs in that way prevents attackers from identifying you across time. E.G. if they link a particular keypair to you — let's say at an Airport security gate — that doesn't let them know you've entered a lawyer's office a week later, because that's done under a different, unrelated public key.

alt227

11 hours ago

I dont get why this is really an issue when there are devices on Temu you can easily buy that are actually designed for stalking. Why would anybody with a genuine nefarious purpose spend their time hacking a tile when they can just buy a generic Chinese gps transponder?

Karliss

11 hours ago

Generic GPS transponder (containing GPS receiver + some kind of data connection) will have limited battery life.

Systems like Tile, AirTag can last much longer with smaller battery and overall dimensions by offloading GPS and long data transmission to other devices. Strength(and dangers) of devices like this is in the size of tracking network not necessarily the hardware itself. Even better if you don't have to plant the tracker onto victim, because victim bought it and is intentionally carrying with themselves.

duxup

10 hours ago

In that case you have to plant the transponder yourself.

In the case of Tile, everyone using Tile has tagged themselves (unknowingly) for you.

The consumer who didn't know they tagged themselves would understandably have a complaint.

InsideOutSanta

10 hours ago

Criminals, particularly heavily disordered ones like stalkers, are usually not the smartest people in the world. So increasing the barrier of entry just a little bit might substantially decrease their practical access to this type of technology.

mplewis

10 hours ago

Suppose the person you want to stalk has bought a Tile that they use for themselves, not knowing that these devices are insecure. If you scan for that device, you can follow that person without even having to plant a device on them. You don't have to hack their Tile.

braiamp

11 hours ago

Because it serves a nefarious purpose: to smear the company that makes these devices. I would not be surprised if this is part of some kind of campaign designed to restrict or damage someone.

EdwardDiego

10 hours ago

You went straight to conspiracy?

braiamp

10 hours ago

The title obviously has a slant, because the text of the article doesn't support it. So, yeah, I'm saying the title has a specific goal in mind.

Dylan16807

10 hours ago

The text seems to support it to me, but more importantly "saying the title has a specific goal" isn't answering the question. Yes the title is calling out the company. What takes you from there to some kind of broader campaign.

malfist

9 hours ago

I read the article. It absolutely does support the title. Unless you someone consider finger printable devices sending unencrypted location data somehow doesn't enable stalking

braiamp

8 hours ago

The article just say it's insecure, the title says that such security is a "feature for stalkers". I'm sorry, I don't see how insecurity makes it better for stalkers.

kefabean

12 hours ago

Does anyone know whether https://mygrid.app/ is trustworthy? Development had been glacial, but looking at their website it seems they finally support degoogled android which is a huge step forwards.

dreamcompiler

12 hours ago

This explains why I'm seeing commercials for Life360 now for the first time ever: They've developed a new revenue stream by selling everybody's location to advertisers.

Now deleted from my family's phones.

PLenz

12 hours ago

That was always the revenue stream, the devices were just a way to get you to give it to them. It's been a minute since I was current on who gets what in the HMD world but I think that data ultimately flows to Placer.ai

shye

2 hours ago

Not always. In the beginning it was supposed to be a freemium product, with all the revenue coming from subscriptions.

alt227

11 hours ago

Whats the connection between an advertiser knowing your location, and ads from Life360?

mplewis

10 hours ago

Life360 increases their marketing budget when they have a profitable way to sell user data so they can get the devices into the hands of more target users.

kotaKat

11 hours ago

"But, but, the Tile TOS says they'll fine a stalker a million dollars!"

Life360 is such a skeevy bullshit company.

octoberfranklin

12 hours ago

BBP;DR (Broken Bot Protection; Didn't Read)

Loops forever at

blog.adafruit.com Performing security verification This website uses a security service to protect against malicious bots. This page is displayed while the website verifies you are not a bot.

gruez

10 hours ago

I never understood this. You can pass turnstile challenges on tor browser in a linux/windows VM, of all things. What unusual browser config are people using to trigger a block?

prosopts

6 hours ago

I frequently see the problem on Android running Brave with default filters. Unsure on cause - I just give up.

Y_Y

10 hours ago

I use a DPRK VPN

gruez

8 hours ago

Is it actually in DPRK, or an unscrupulous operator that hosts the server outside DPRK, but hosts a puts fake information in the whois/geofeed?

stackghost

12 hours ago

Passing the security verification succeeded for me (firefox on a mac, with ublock origin).

chrisjj

9 hours ago

> Loops forever

And so it should, given:

> while the website verifies you are not a bot.

is impossible to complete.

mawadev

11 hours ago

What the hell is Tile?

evanjrowley

11 hours ago

cross-platform forerunner of the Apple AirTag

brookst

8 hours ago

If AirTag is a CD, Tile is 8 track.

alt227

11 hours ago

Thats what google is for.

user00005

10 hours ago

It isn't that difficult to just not lose things.

People love to over complicate their lives with technology, giving up money and privacy in the process.

rafram

10 hours ago

There are plenty of times when you have to trust someone(s) else with your belongings, sometimes for a very long time - say, airline baggage, bus luggage compartment, hotel left luggage, or gym lockers - and it's useful to have a tracker (ideally a more secure one, e.g. AirTag) in case anything goes wrong.

And even if you're the type of person who never lets their bags leave their sight, nobody is immune to their keys slipping out of their pocket in a taxi.

user00005

7 hours ago

I'm arguing the tradeoff of possible convenience isn't worth it.

Tile is owned by Life360. The original article talks about Life360 selling your data to advertisers. Let's look at what the Tile app wants to collect from you: photos and videos, location, app activity, messages, personal info. They say 'no data is shared with third parties'. Does that include the parent company Life360 that does sell data with third parties?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/datasafety?id=com.thetile...