no_circuit
5 hours ago
Sounds like the lesson learned is using the right tool for the job -- reusing Kubernetes in an existing cluster to spin up sandboxes is a fair initial path to start offering the service. But Kubernetes likely isn't meant for rapid churn of workloads, here sandboxes.
The architecture to me seemed very similar to SeaweedFS [1] (Facebook Haystack [2]) except with an extra layer for sandbox-hosting nodes. Like requests go into a master, or the global load balancer, then to a volume server, which in turn knows where the files/sandboxes should go. There is no need for sandboxes to be managed with the Kubernetes overhead since the the nodes/bare metal servers probably have scheduling taints on them to preserve the memory/cpu for the sandboxes.
[1] https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs
[2] https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/osdi10/tech/full_papers/...
paulddraper
5 hours ago
They never used K8s for this.
They did reference it as an example for how a non-specialized solution would fall over.
> Modal’s original sandbox architecture has similar issues. Like Kubernetes, we rely on strong consistency throughout our backend, so creating and scheduling sandboxes requires global coordination, and O(sandboxes) writes to Postgres, which we cannot trivially shard.