algoth1
an hour ago
As someone who has worked closely to the marketing space, there’s a saying that goes something like: ‘then the marketers found about it and ruin everything’. Quick example: when amazon launched kindle self publishing, there was a golden age where wannabe writers could self-publish their books, and let the market dictate what survived and became successful. Eventually, some people got good money out of it. Then marketers found out about it. They realized they could game the system by hiring ghost writers to pump out low quality ebooks to fill every single niche. Then they found out how to game the reviews, even going as far as paying people to leave 5 star reviews on competitors to get amazon to flag the competitors for buying reviews! Forward a few years, and no matter what you search for, there’s a million low quality books fir a couple high quality high effort books who get lost in the sea of garbage. AI just made that problem 100x worse. The same thing is happening with higher effort content creation. These same mindless marketers found out how to exploit video creation, social media marketing, etc. so, the appeal this article is making for people to stop the hype will not be listen to, because once marketers find about something where there’s money to be made, they will absolutely find a way to go scorched earth on it
ghusto
24 minutes ago
There's an old Bill Hicks bit where during his already awkward standup, he takes a moment to somehow dial the awkwardness up further: If you're of a certain age, you'll know the bit:
https://genius.com/Bill-hicks-on-advertisers-and-marketing-a...
It's awkward because you can feel how much he means every word. Of course it's part of the act and you're supposed to find it funny, but at the same time, he very much means what he's saying.
a4isms
14 minutes ago
adiabatichottub
4 minutes ago
Ah, the plea for sanity dollar! Huge Market!
Sadly, he was never able to rid the world of all these fevered egos tainting our collective unconscious and making us pay a higher psychic price than we imagine.
rglover
17 minutes ago
Drink Coke
toddmorey
3 minutes ago
I value both great devs and great marketers because I’ve seen dev teams build awesome tech that never found its audience.
It’s the culture of the org and that decides how the ammo is used. What you want is good devs AND good marketers building and promoting great product.
Anyone in any role who works at facebook holds culpability. Marketers aren’t building all those user hostile features.
AaronAPU
an hour ago
I’ve long considered marketing to be one of the purest forms of evil in existence. It truly does envelop and destroy everything good.
tavavex
9 minutes ago
I wonder how most of them sleep at night. Do they think they're providing a valuable service? Do they like what they're doing? Do they think of themselves as good people?
john_strinlai
6 minutes ago
>I wonder how most of them sleep at night.
i hate marketing. but most everyday, 9-5 in a cubicle marketers are just trying to feed their families and keep a roof over their head. its just a job, it doesnt need to be an identity.
CPLX
9 minutes ago
Marketing is just an attempt at persuasion. It's the most fundamental form of communication. It's intrinsic to being human and interacting with other humans, and drives the reproduction function for basically all living things.
You have, in fact, just engaged in it in your comment by offering an opinion in hopes that others will read and adopt that opinion. In fact, you posted your comment on the marketing website of a well known private equity firm.
hedbdbf
2 minutes ago
That infantile in its reductionism. There is a degree and kind to which marketing is a significant net benefit; word-of-mouth is not an effective way of getting people to learn about most products, even if it is exactly what they need and they would benefit from it. We are seeing things taken to a level which is extremely destructive and harmful, but your broad statement is juvenile and idiotic.
I have no trouble imagining how you can sleep at night — the world must be so simple to you.
sajithdilshan
22 minutes ago
The same thing is happening in YouTube right now. My feed is filled with AI generated never ending rambling videos about simple topics that can be explained in 1 or 2 mins, but it keeps on dragging up to 10-30 mins to milk the maximum from monetisation
sigmoid10
16 minutes ago
Youtube channels are also getting hyper-monetized now. Private equity firms finally learned that some of these informational channels draw a huge crowd of loyal viewers with a very specific kind of technical interest and have built high levels of trustworthiness. Ideal targets for running ads. Now they buy all these channels and have their marketers optimize every corner for generating easy money.
f17428d27584
14 minutes ago
“But first, we need to understand how we got here.”
giancarlostoro
15 minutes ago
You should have just said quick example: Windows
toofy
11 minutes ago
let’s not forget the marketers who work for the same companies we do.
how many times have we all seen marketing departments or sales departments in our companies entirely misrepresent the abilities or purpose of a product we built?
it’s fucking unreal how many times i’ve seen on here where the engineers of a product were like “don’t blame us, our team was screaming trying to be heard that the marketing/sales departments are outright lying about the capabilities.”
at which point they’ve often twisted and bastardized the product opposite of the reasons we built it to begin with.
ModernMech
11 minutes ago
It’s the old lifecycle of a scene.
1) cool people do cool things, start a scene
2) chill people who enjoy watching cool people do cool things spread the word
3) posers get wind and show up, the scene loses its vibe but reaches critical mass
4) advertisers show up looking to monetize the scene, driving out the cool and chill people who are allergic to advertisers.
5) the scene is now dead, filled with posers and ad execs
radicalbyte
an hour ago
Venture Capitalists are now even worse than the marketers.
ed_elliott_asc
34 minutes ago
Marketeers for venture capitalists? Does that beat vc’s?
wongarsu
11 minutes ago
Marketeers sounds like a great word for the worst of them. The ones that take over a functioning market and burn it for profit