The difference between "today's task" and "accretive work"

24 pointsposted 6 days ago
by hn_acker

14 Comments

datadrivenangel

an hour ago

"There's plenty of space for "disposable and single use software." Sure, to a trained software engineer, this might be "bad code" but doing today's task has value, even if the code that performs that task isn't "accretive.""

Grant me the serenity to accept the bad code i shouldn't fix, the courage to change the code I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

wodenokoto

5 minutes ago

That quote also resonated with me. It reminded me of "Perl, the write-only language"-meme of yore.

And I think there is a place for perl, just like there is a place for bash one-liners.

The authors example is personal software. The things we write to scratch our own little itches, that do not need to be shared or developed together with other people.

protocolture

an hour ago

Guys really pushing to remain relevant with the reverse centaurs shtick.

Terr_

an hour ago

Since when did the distinction between use-cases stop being relevant?

protocolture

20 minutes ago

There might be some relevance to the term reverse centaurs. I dont know if I buy it but it might take off as useful terminology.

A blog post loosely summarized as "HEY REMEMBER WHEN I COINED THAT TERM HERE ARE THE LINKS TO ALL THE TIMES I USED THE TERM AND HERES A NEW ANECODOTE ABOUT THE TERM" screams that its trying to force the use, and therefore the posters relevance.

petesergeant

19 minutes ago

First time I’ve heard it as a phrase, and it seems to be a useful label. What’s annoying you about it?

simianwords

42 minutes ago

Guy is not just annoying but flat out wrong again and again. But he speaks the language many want to hear.

kazinator

an hour ago

It could be that this person has something profound to say, but ... it's about AI. Sigh and swipe left.

wodenokoto

2 minutes ago

I don't think it has something "profound" to say, but it also is a good article worth the read.

It's mostly about why some people enjoy working with AI ("I get to build things I can use, that I couldn't build otherwise!)" and others don't ("This code is all slop and nobody understands it, and it makes me sad")

It touches a little bit about those two perspectives in general, which he calls centaurs (in charge of the work) and reverse centaurs (the work is in charge of them)

wseqyrku

an hour ago

So many of the articles I've read are like this—some of them feel as though AI gets mentioned out of the blue. I think you need to separate the wheat from the chaff. The ideas are still good, the author is just distracted.

scubbo

an hour ago

Even if they're saying something bad about it?

onion2k

an hour ago

There's a 'joke' that goes around occasionally that has some truth to it: "Excel is the world's most popular programming language." Occasionally it's 'Excel macros' or 'VBA' instead of just Excel.[1]

The core truth of it is that a massive amount, possibly most, of the world's software is not a carefully hand-crafted application in that lives in Github written by expert software developers. It's a heap of Excel functions in an XSLX file, with no tests, no source control, no PRs, and no real planning behind it. And it works for that one specific task that the person who built it needed at the time.

AI vibe-coding is probably filling in the middle-ground between that stuff and 'real' code - it does more than just building somehting to complete today's task, and it is accretive in the sense that someone can build on top of it, but it doesn't really look that way to someone used to working on 'proper' software.

[1] Further reading if you're interested - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27048672

wseqyrku

22 minutes ago

> AI vibe-coding is probably filling in the middle-ground [..] and it is accretive in the sense that someone can build on top of it

To me 'accretive work' means something you do at a lower level than your task at hand which by itself doesn't count progress, but rather lay the groundwork for it so it's compounding from there on. AI has nothing to do with this.