pmontra
an hour ago
Agreed but I want to see how it plays out. Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming. How much does it cost a computer with enough resources to run a good enough AI model for agentic workflows and a reasonable time to first token? Can "most of the world" afford buying one?
wizee
an hour ago
Qwen 3.6 27B is quite good for agentic coding, and practical to run on consumer hardware. You need a system with either 32+ GB VRAM, or a unified memory system with 48+ GB VRAM and a decent integrated GPU. While not cheap, such a setup is still attainable for much of the world, and will eventually get cheaper over time. Open models hosted on non-American clouds also remain an option with a much lower barrier to entry, for cases where privacy is less critical.
thewebguyd
5 minutes ago
> You need a system with either 32+ GB VRAM
I do hope you're right that it will get cheaper over time (it should), but right now 32GB of VRAM is not affordable to a lot of people. You're talking ~$4500 just for the GPU, or $800 ish used if you can find one.
jochem9
40 minutes ago
There was an article on HN a few weeks ago where someone detailed how they managed to get an old datacenter GPU to run in their consumer PC, getting decent performance with qwen. He spent something like $200 on the GPU (second hand of course).
So yeah, I think models on local hardware will be quite common soon among the tech savvy (such as people creating software).
wrs
28 minutes ago
Especially considering the millions of 2026-class data center GPUs that massively overinvested companies are currently buying, which will be obsolete in a few years.
treis
8 minutes ago
I think those are going to be run until they die. The capex vs opex is too high to obsolete them in a few years. They'll keep serving current gen LLMs for as long as they keep running.
schmuhblaster
32 minutes ago
Indeed, and with some tinkering around the harness it can even punch way above its weight.
Chu4eeno
an hour ago
Open weights/source doesn't necessarily mean running on local hardware, though.
I imagine having multiple providers competing will drive down hosted versions of open weight models drastically.
majormajor
40 minutes ago
> Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming.
Gotta remember inflation here.
$1K in 1995 was roughly equivalent to $2K now and wouldn't have been a particularly "good" machine then.
In 1982 the Commodore 64 started at about $600 bucks, also roughly around $2K today.
If you outgrew that, beefier machines back then were A LOT. It was easy to find $2k+ towers and (especially) laptops even into the 2000s, and a lot of those would be $5K+ equivalent today.
SoftTalker
18 minutes ago
And a unix workstation in those days could be high 4 or even 5 figures, depending on configuration.
abetusk
22 minutes ago
Moore's law or one of its generalizations still holds, so it will only be a short matter of time before a $1k computer will be able to train and run a powerful enough model.
Windchaser
a minute ago
I thought Moore's Law came to an end in the last decade?
Certainly the transistors/chip or transistors/$ or flops/$ have not been progressing at the same exponential rate as during 1970-2010. There is still progress, but it's rather slower.
bensyverson
an hour ago
Yes, between Moore's Law and more efficient model architectures, we just have to let time do its work.
Danox
42 minutes ago
Software models and hardware are getting better all the time—and that’s where some big companies spending billions might stumble! In fact, Microsoft recently announced that they’re scaling back a bit on their AI investments.
giancarlostoro
41 minutes ago
Before the AI "crisis" it used to take about $3500 to get a prebuilt with a 5090 which can run good enough LLMs. I run reasonable LLMs on just 16GB of VRAM on my Mac, and the 5090 has double that.
Kim_Bruning
an hour ago
Roughly about Eur 3-4K right this minute I think? The graphics card, ram and storage are punishing. Under more normal circumstances (hopefully late 2027) it'd be 1500-2500 depending on what you think is realistically useful.
Possibly it's the same price range, allowing for inflation.
rayiner
35 minutes ago
Isn’t this just a bet that I’ll have an AI data center in my iPhone within 10 years? Why is that a bad bet?
mbgerring
an hour ago
About $2k in 2026 dollars and falling.
simonw
an hour ago
... or rising, at least as long as there's a RAM shortage.
mbgerring
an hour ago
I’d bet that there won’t be a RAM shortage for very long.
simonw
42 minutes ago
The best article I've seen about that is this one by David Oks (ignore the headline, the content is much better): https://davidoks.blog/p/ai-is-killing-the-cheap-smartphone
> It was only in 2025, as memory prices began an unprecedented surge, that the memory makers started to build new fabs targeted at HBM, all slated to start producing chips in 2027 or 2028.
fellowmartian
32 minutes ago
It still won’t help unless the AI bubble pops. Even old fabs will continue pumping out HBM instead of DRAM as long as hyperscalers gobble it up.
Avicebron
39 minutes ago
This seems wildly optimistic, do you have anything to support it?
swiftcoder
8 minutes ago
The RAM shortage is predicated on both the huge datacenter buildout (many of which are already mired in delays, with a few even cancelled outright), and the massive memory purchase commitments various hyperscalers have made - hyperscalers who seem to be running short on cash lately...
AnimalMuppet
23 minutes ago
History? This isn't the first RAM shortage. When one happens, producers build more fabs. The fabs come online, the availability of memory shoots up, and the shortage goes away, usually replaced by a glut.
If you want to argue that this is different from all previous RAM shortages, you can, but the burden of proof is on you to show the difference.
ktallett
an hour ago
Hence why brute force needs to be replaced with examples such as neuromorphic methods. It could realistically could be combined with mesh networking as well to utilise the capabilities of all computers locally.