Unlimited OCR: One-Shot Long-Horizon Parsing

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by ingve

36 Comments

robotswantdata

an hour ago

Very interesting.

The way I understand this works is that the researchers found a clever architectural hack to stop AI from hoarding memory when reading long documents.

Normally, when an AI transcribes a 100 page PDF, it tries to remember every single word it has already ingested. This short-term memory (the KV cache) grows linearly O(N) until the model runs out of VRAM and crashes (or caps it) To avoid this, developers are forced to build janky code that chops PDFs into individual pages, processes them one by one, and glues the text back together.

Unlimited OCR uses Reference Sliding Window Attention (R-SWA) to split the AI's focus into two paths:

Global Reference: The AI keeps full, uncompromised sight of the original document image so it never loses context.

Local Generation: The AI restricts its memory of its own typed text to a tight, moving window (like the last 128 words) and safely forgets the rest.

Will be very interesting for local AI and can’t wait to see what the community builds and extends with it!

d675

25 minutes ago

See, leetcode is useful. As I do this leetcode grind, I’ve been why techniques exist / how they’re used irl. Lots of interesting stuff there

ai_fry_ur_brain

5 minutes ago

Who said it wasnt useful, dont listen to those people.

peatmoss

26 minutes ago

I recently bought a tablet for sheet music, mostly to replace a stack of jazz "Real Books" at jam sessions. And the phone camera scans I made are okay, but fixed in size and have a lot of artifacts. And it would be great to transpose on the fly for e.g. Bb or Eb instruments, but being a scan this is obviously not possible.

I got digging into the state of optical music recognition and came away concluding that music is basically a greenfield for AI wherever you look. Optical music recognition is pretty terrible. AI understanding of music theory is terrible (actually looking at music that is; LLMs do okay at text descriptions of theory concepts where you can imagine some online texts making it in).

I think the issue is that we still don't have great digital formats that encode the dots on paper that musicians read. Music notation is pretty rich. Midi doesn't capture all of what's needed for symbolic understanding, because it was mostly made for capturing aspects relevant for playback or performance. MusicXML seems to be the closest for a digital format that encodes the information a musician would want, but there aren't great corpora of training data that would connect a MusicXML representation to sheet music images or to audio. I think that's because MusicXML falls short of encoding enough information to engrave music. Tools like MuseScore need to track a bunch of layout information that isn't encodable in MusicXML. Lilypond format is less verbose that MusicXML and contains a bit more information that is useful to the score creators, but most people don't create sheet music in lilypond. (As an aside, Lilypond bums me out with the state of jazz fonts. I hate looking at "legit" scores in jazz context)

I realize this is mildly off topic, but every time I see people making incremental gains on OCR, which to my mind is pretty good, I am reminded of how abysmal OMR is.

singpolyma3

18 minutes ago

What about sheet music typesetting formats like https://abcnotation.com/ ?

peatmoss

7 minutes ago

I forgot to mention ABC. I have seen a few LLMs look at that. There was a model / paper published a couple years back called ChatMusician that built around it.

With the caveat that I'm not terribly fluent in ABC, it seems to me that simple things are simple, but hard things seem to be nearly pathological. And (again, maybe a lapse in my understanding) it seems like there may be a fair number of concepts that are impossible to convey in ABC?

Lastly, if I understand correctly, ABC got its start and is mostly popular as a simplified format for church songbooks. I'd imagine that would, uh, influence the training corpora towards sounding a bit... church songbooky.

WhitneyLand

16 minutes ago

“there aren't great corpora of training data that would connect a MusicXML representation to sheet music images or to audio”

It may not be necessary…a lot of the training pairs/data for this could probably be procedurally created via code.

Would be pretty fun to work on and see it come to life.

mcbetz

14 minutes ago

I observe that space regularly and the only really good solution is soundslice. You scan and review some edge cases and get really good results. Paid service by a small company, very worthy to be supported!

KitN

an hour ago

"We would like to thank Deepseek-OCR, Deepseek-OCR-2, PaddleOCR for their valuable models and ideas."

Class Act.

gcr

an hour ago

I don’t understand the shade being thrown ?

nickspacek

38 minutes ago

It's the opposite of shade, unless GP is being sarcastic. "Class act" is normally a compliment, and in the context here it sounds to me like they're congratulating Baidu/the researchers in being transparent about where their ideas came from.

pmarreck

43 minutes ago

my attempts at using AI to do OCR have always resulted in invented artifacts, which is not production feasible. does this suffer from that as well?

A simple example is words that are supposed to be in other languages being automatically translated to English, which ruins the effect

overflowy

35 minutes ago

What are the requirements for running this locally?

alansaber

33 minutes ago

We've invented chunking? We are so back.

manipalite

an hour ago

Whatever happened to Reducto, was very promising 12-15 months ago

ramon156

an hour ago

I love that the entire goal is to push Deepseek OCR further. The west can learn greatly from these companies

Oras

2 hours ago

OCR has been solved long time ago with vision models. Solutions are consistent, reliable, and stable. What is the point of reinventing the wheel?

I would definitely understand post processing, like extracting data, answering question .. etc, but why re-doing the OCR engine itself?

joss82

an hour ago

I've been working on Parseur for the last 10 years, and OCR has not been solved yet, let me tell you.

OCR still sucks in 2026. Hopefully this might improve the situation but I haven't tested it yet.

chpatrick

an hour ago

It absolutely hasn't been solved, it's just got pretty decent in recent years.

malfist

14 minutes ago

Pretty decent might be quiet the stretch. I'd term it almost acceptable, but only if you're using commercial solutions like amazon's textract, doing it with open source tools is at best, extremely painful and vaguely accurate.

sscaryterry

an hour ago

Detecting characters almost, layout no.

wongarsu

an hour ago

Exactly my experience. If you try to OCR hand-filled forms with a fixed structure, traditional OCR models are great. Vision-llms can improve a bit on character recognition, but at the cost of harder to detect failure modes.

But if you are trying to ingest diverse documents with headings, multi-column layouts, headers and footers, ad space in the middle of your text, etc, vision-llms are a giant step forward. But you need the context of the previous page to make good decisions about the current page, which is where things quickly get janky (or slow, if you choose the naive approach)

Vision-llms also seem to deal much better with variance in scripts. Cursive, random Japanese in the middle of the text, weird math symbols, handwriting from three centuries ago, all "just works" without you even having to remember that this can happen

ljouhet

42 minutes ago

Real question: what tool do you use? (for long/complex documents with tables, code, maths)

- marker (with --force-ocr) gives me the best results

- Mistral OCR (seems really great, but I never managed to get it work)

- Mathpix (tried a long time ago)

- docling (gives me garbage, I must use it wrong)

- Unlimited OCR (will try it)

- ???

Oras

24 minutes ago

- Azure Document Intelligence (has an option to return markdown too including headers and footers).

- AWS Textract

vulture916

an hour ago

I haven't done much long-run OCR, so unsure of the current state, but it would seem they overcome this (from their paper):

"A widely held view is that employing a large language model (LLM) as the decoder allows the model to leverage the prior distribution of language, leading to improved OCR performance. However, the downside is equally evident: as the output sequence lengthens, the accumulated KV cache drives up memory consumption and progressively slows down generation."

Aboutplants

an hour ago

lol nope it hasn’t been solved. I deal with this constantly and we still have a longggg ways to go

cannonpalms

an hour ago

I guess, in theory, the prior distribution of language would allow for improved performance in some cases, especially where input quality is low.

ta988

an hour ago

This is already used in OCR, tesseract uses that.

mschuster91

36 minutes ago

> I would definitely understand post processing, like extracting data, answering question .. etc, but why re-doing the OCR engine itself?

Well... the idea seems to be (as far as I understand it, at least) that optical errors and artifacts can now be compensated as the OCR engine is now context-aware.

Say, for example, some random long ass name chemical. It's not going to be in a word correction database, but a context-aware engine (ideally, one that has been supplemented with chemistry data) can now correct "bad" reads of the chemical's name.

Of course, there remains the issue of how to prevent the infamous Xerox bug [1]...

[1] https://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres...

ta988

an hour ago

Cost, throughput, latency...

Oras

an hour ago

Traditional OCR is faster, cheaper, and much more reliable than LLMs

j16sdiz

an hour ago

If you consider non-English script, traditional OCR is not more reliable.

CJK have lots of character and high confusion rate.

Arabic scripts are complex and have lots of morphs.

Vietnamese have easily confused diacritics.

Thai have lots of non-standard fonts.

ta988

an hour ago

I don't think that's a universal statement that aplies to every kind of documents and languages. Mistral OCR is able to do things no "traditional" OCR was ever able to.

JohnKemeny

an hour ago

OCR has definitely not "been solved long time ago", what are you talking about?

In your opinion, what is SOTA here?