Think of the Children: How to Force Real ID for All Internet Traffic (2023)

59 pointsposted 4 hours ago
by Bender

14 Comments

orbital-decay

an hour ago

To add to the list: KYC/AML-like regulations and practices (not necessarily financial) that shift the responsibility down the chain, outside the accountability zone, and result in preventive overly broad risk avoidance, self-censorship, and manipulation of your Overton window. See for example DMCA vs YouTube practices vs what actual channels choose to do to dodge both. Or algospeak. Or the PayPal situation which is mentioned in the article.

But it's all talk. Political pressure is like gas pressure. Gas expands to fill the available volume. What do you actually do to push back, besides talking about it on the web? This defines the available volume, if you don't do anything it's infinite.

mentalgear

an hour ago

> Pass laws requiring companies that use third party age or ID verification to take full legal culpability for that data. If any of the data is leaked they must pay each party $1 million dollars regardless of how or why the data was leaked. 300 identities leaked or sold? That will be 300 million dollars not counting criminal penalties. Should this lead to bankruptcy then it is working as intended as they are clearly not qualified to be guardians of this data much less the guardians of your children.

Bender

37 minutes ago

Too much? I suppose the solution would be to not collect the data in the first place and instead use RTA headers and client checks for said header assuming legislators come to their senses and start caring about kids.

bethekidyouwant

10 minutes ago

Oh no not my LLC that keeps zero dollars on the books.

big85

an hour ago

<meta name="RATING" content="RTA-5042-1996-1400-1577-RTA" />

I wonder why the rating code is so complex. Pornhub.com has this code enabled, but it also uses a simpler <meta name="rating" content="adult">. 4chan also uses the latter.

Bender

32 minutes ago

I think it should be fairly simple client code to look for either of them.

keernan

29 minutes ago

There is no need for id. IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. Both should be treated the same way. Make it illegal for parents or any adult to:

- purchase an internet capable device for anyone under the age of 18 (or whatever age is deemed appropriate to allow unfettered access without any ID)

- allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet

That removes the government's attempted false flag operations to use "children's access to the internet" as the excuse to obtain the right to monitor every second of your online activity for the rest of your life.

And simultaneously likely saves our children's brains.

Aurornis

14 minutes ago

> IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety.

The hyperbole is getting a little out of control.

> - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet

I don't understand how anyone can think that keeping 17 year olds off the internet is possible or a good idea. These aren't serious comments or suggestions.

lobf

3 minutes ago

Not only that but like, if your child touches the screen in your car have you committed a crime? Using a smart fridge is verboten- speaking to the house's Alexa? Straight to jail.

nonethewiser

an hour ago

Porn companies should be held liable for distributing porn to minors. Its already illegal.

Denial about requiring basic KYC is causing all sorts of perverse solutions. Accept the requirement so we can have a sensible technical solution.

zapataband1

44 minutes ago

and parents should actually parent their kids. Their kids do not need phones at such a young age and their parents should be in control of their own kid's phone.

ikrenji

29 minutes ago

don't be so naive. if the billionaires want this, it can't be good for you. it really is that simple