water-data-dude
3 hours ago
As a gay dude I will never take a job in Texas. Companies may enjoy the lax regulatory environment and favorable tax laws, but there are many bright people who - for one of a NUMBER of reasons - will never move there. It is repressive and frightening.
Who knows if that will be enough to move the needle on any of this, but companies aren't just buildings and incorporation paperwork, they're also the people.
scoofy
3 hours ago
People who "refuse to move" to Texas honestly have no idea what they're talking about. Yes, you probably wouldn't like it, but it's certainly not what you think it is. I grew up in Texas (mostly Austin), and later in life moved to California, and genuinely can't stand the navel-gazey "I've never been there but I know I'd hate it" type of attitude that prevails here.
Texas is a gerrymandered purple state, not a red state. It's just that the state is the California's bogey-man, because Californians don't actually want to face the fact that we have major problems with long-term affordability and the ability to build a life for middle-class folks (perhaps less appreciated by the disproportionately high-income folks on this forum). Every single urban area in Texas is now heavily aligned with the Democratic party, and the vast majority of those areas are affordable places to build a life and build wealth.
When I was growing up in Austin, it had the second highest per-capita gay population in America after San Francisco. Houston had a lesbian mayor. In many cities Spanish is the dominant language spoken. Texas cities are not some place where minorities have to fear for their safety.
The reason not to move to Texas is that it's a suburban hellscape, and you'll be stuck in traffic for more hours a day than you'd like to admit. I left after pushing for transportation alternatives at Austin City Hall, and the result of that traffic mitigation was an express lane down the highway. Texas is, in large part, following the development pattern of Southern California.
Austin, San Antonio, and El Paso are all lovely towns, full of vibrancy, amazing culture, friendly people, reasonable weather most of the year, wonderful food, and reasonable cost of living. Politics are an issue, but again, that all hangs on a 2%-5% swing in a census year, and the entire state could end up redrawn as 50-50 split. I just want folks on the American coasts to remember that a big part of why Texas is branded as "that really bad place" is exactly because folks on the coast refuse to look in the mirror and fix the problems of affordability, wealth inequality, and clean energy that Texas has addressed. Instead, they've made Texas a bogey man that is "very bad" so that you can't point to things like rapid development of housing and renewables as actually the way to fix affordability.
dylan604
3 hours ago
> Texas is a gerrymandered purple state, not a red state
Man, I just don't get this at all. Sure, there may be some democratic areas in the large cities, but they pretty much have zero say in the local state governance. Look at the recent walk outs and leaving the state only to return to have the legislation they were protesting pass with nothing they could do. There is no democratic power. Even those large cities that lean left have attempted to buck the system by passing local regulations that the state then sues them to prevent those liberal policies from taking place. As an example, Dallas passed decriminalization for marijuana, but the governor said no via law suits. This idea of Texas being purple just comes across as farcical and out of touch. I say this as someone that grew up in Dallas, lived in LA, and now lives back in Dallas. You sound just like someone from Austin.
I know plenty of women that are very unhappy with the state for not dissimilar reasons as the GP with friends that have moved out of state specifically for the government's apparent disdain for women.
scoofy
2 hours ago
You are describing the effects of gerrymandering.
dylan604
an hour ago
The effect of gerrymandering is why Texas is a very red state and nothing approaching the purple you claim. That claim is what makes you sound as if you were from Austin even if you didn't state it. Austin has a reality distortion field around it where they think everyone is a liberal hippie while being the heart of the right wing operation center. Try visiting Collin or Tarrant County or pretty much any small Texas town. It'll be quite a bursting of your purple bubble
scoofy
11 minutes ago
My point is that OP was worried about lifestyle and safety. That fair. Don’t live in Ft Worth.
A “Red State” is a state where pretty much wherever you go, it’s Republican voters. Their election results statewide are R+15 or more. Oklahoma is R+34. Texas’s statewide elections are surprisingly close. Often R+5 or less, and occasionally R+2. That’s purple. That means that half the state are allies.
wenc
an hour ago
Just to add to your Texas comment: there are a few larger states that have distinct hubs where people think so differently, that they might as well be living in different states. People who haven't lived in these states don't really have a good feel for how different the internal cultures can be.
California: we know how SoCal is culturally worlds apart from Norcal, and both are worlds apart from inland California.
North Carolina: culturally Charlotte ≠ Research Triangle ≠ Greensboro-Winston Salem-High Point. There is no single NC culture.
Florida: the stereotypes exist, but I've visited different metros in Florida and they couldn't be more different. South Florida (Miami) is very Latin while the panhandle (Tallahassee, Pensacola) couldn't be less Latin -- it's mostly southern culture. Orlando, Tampa are also way different.
Florida in fact shouldn't be governable -- every part of the state has different interests. Yet it somehow works.
tzs
2 hours ago
> Every single urban area in Texas is now heavily aligned with the Democratic party, and the vast majority of those areas are affordable places to build a life and build wealth.
How much does that matter with the state legislature firmly in Republican control? The legislature isn't shy about making state laws to stop cities when the cities try to do Democrat things locally.
scoofy
2 hours ago
Well off tech folks in this forum will like California more. I’m well off and left Texas, so I obviously agree with that.
My point is that it’s easy to clutch pearls in a zero-sum economy like CA’s when you’re on top. The reason I still have a fondness for Texas is that despite some of the political change that I find frightening, it’s still a better place for most folks to go to build a life.
It’s not perfect, but when every single blue city in a blue state has an affordability crisis, I have to commend Austin for actually building the housing people need to actually own something, instead of just talking about it and doing mostly nothing like SF, LA, Seattle, Portland, NYC, and Boston have all done.
Good on Texas for not letting cities try to preserve themselves in amber. That just enriches incumbents by allowing them to engage in rent-seeking.
fzeroracer
an hour ago
Austin's affordability is still incredibly bad, especially when you consider how stratified the incomes tend to be. When I was working there my apartment cost around $1300 a month and the year I left my rent rose by 30% to around 1700 a month. This was in an area far away from the core of Austin, next to absolutely nothing. It's recovered a bit recently but because all of the people (you included) are encouraging folks (see: tech) to move to Austin the rents spike based on how much perceived demand there is. The minimum wage has not (and by state law cannot change) kept up with modern standards and while many companies offer starting pay above minimum wage it's still well below other cities. If you honestly think Austin is a place where people can go to own something then I think you've been so long away from the city as to be out of touch.
In comparison I'm paying around $2000/month for an apartment in Seattle but this is in an area that's right next to the light rail and well taken care of. With the light rail expanding I could easily find apartments even cheaper that still keep me within walking distance and without needing a car.
scoofy
3 minutes ago
It’s not even comparable: https://www.redfin.com/cost-of-living-calculator/austin-tx/v...
Austin is much cheaper than Seattle.
jleyank
3 hours ago
Purple, eh? Guess the blue ones weren't around when the various abortion issues were voted on. The OB/GYN population must not like the sun.
toomuchtodo
3 hours ago
Texas policy is actively hostile to women and the poor (healthcare, labor protections, etc). You’re probably fine if of means, and not a woman of reproductive age. Everyone else is existing in Texas as an economic human factory farm.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/20...
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/13/10-states-worst-quality-of-l...
https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-abortion-ban-miscar...
https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-maternal-mortality-...
scoofy
3 hours ago
California is hostile to the poor. When median income in SF is $140K per household. A two-bedroom apartment costs $5000 per month. It's literally illegal to build housing for actual poor people who have jobs there. I know plenty of working class folks in the 40s and 50s here in SF with multiple roommates, because CA has effectively become a rent-seeking paradise. There is no future for these people. They will eventually lose their housing and either move to a state like Texas or become homeless.
toomuchtodo
2 hours ago
I’d rather be poor and/or homeless in California, anywhere in the state, versus Texas. Especially as it relates to climate. Texas is running out of water and will only keep getting hotter.
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/13/texas-water-explaine...
https://www.texastribune.org/series/texas-water-supply-droug...
scoofy
2 hours ago
Wait... you're talking about a Water crisis in terms of Texas compared to California? You really should give Cadillac Desert a read.
Texas is draining their portion of the Ogallala, and are putting strain on Texas rivers, but California is literally a desert that moves water to its cities from hundreds of miles away... devastating communities and national parks in the process.
toomuchtodo
2 hours ago
California is the world’s fourth largest economy and the number #1 state by population, they have the resources and the political will to ensure continuity of basic human living needs like water. I argue Texas has neither. I’m not here to change your mind, those who want to remain in the sacrifice zone Texas is are free to make that choice.
Data centers, solar panels, and battery storage belong in Texas, not humans, roughly speaking.
scoofy
2 hours ago
> California is the world’s fourth largest economy and the number #1 state by population
Texas is the world’s ninth largest economy if we include CA, and is projected to pass CA in population by 2050. Not really sure what your point is.
I obviously don’t love Texas. I moved away. I just think it’s a very reasonable place to live and we could do a lot to improve California by addressing our problems in way that Texas has successfully combatted them, especially housing and solar development.
LearnYouALisp
an hour ago
Just ask that person if they've ever lived and travelled around there, and how old they are, etc
californical
3 hours ago
Honestly it may be 50-50 purple in population, but the policies are what affect people the most. I’m not even worried about Democrat vs Republican, as I’m not associated to either party, and both have their share of crazy.
There are a number of laws in Texas that make it a non-option for many of us.
scoofy
3 hours ago
I don't even know how to respond to statements like this. Yes, if you care about issues de jour, yes, Texas is going to look terrible. And Texas has terrible stances on issues like abortion.
At the same time, you can't ignore the facts. Texas has high property taxes, which are de facto wealth taxes, so it shouldn't surprise anyone on that Texas has significantly lower wealth inequality than California does.
Again, unless you literally inherit a house with an inherited property tax assessment in CA or vest equity in a unicorn, you're probably going to be poorer in CA than in Texas.
We have to stop pretending the landed aristocracy that exist in California somehow "doesn't count" as inequality and injustice.
californical
3 hours ago
Oh California has its problems too, I moved away from California after living there for a few years due to the impossibility of affording a home. It’s a beautiful state but the affordability was oppressive, even for high earners. On top of a bunch of other social issues of their own.
Absolutely not here pretending that California is some promised land. Hell, even the state I ended up moving to has its own problems.
It’s just that the problems that Texas does have are untenable for my family.
fzeroracer
2 hours ago
I've lived in Texas. It is exactly as bad as people say, and I will never move back. Regardless of how nice Austin is, there is only so much I can tolerate an actively hostile state government to my existence.
queenkjuul
3 hours ago
I've been there, it sucks, i will never move there
sleepyguy
3 hours ago
I don't know why you're being junked, you said nothing that any Texas resident wouldn't agree with. Shit, we have two of the largest airlines in the world that as an industry have always been incredibly welcoming to the LGBT community.
The only thing that sucks about Texas is the property taxes, other than that it is a very welcoming state with great infra and comfortable standard of living.
scoofy
3 hours ago
Seriously. It's a bunch of people who've never lived there telling me what it's like.
The property taxes are what keep Texas affordable. Texas's infrastructure is going the way of Southern California, when the politics on property taxes follow what Southern California did, the affordability will disappear too.
fzeroracer
2 hours ago
>The only thing that sucks about Texas is the property taxes, other than that it is a very welcoming state with great infra and comfortable standard of living.
Great infrastructure is fucking insane thing to say. I was living there during the big freeze in 2021 The state is incredibly unprepared for any sort of major weather event and refuses to actively harden infrastructure against these sort of events. That was one of the many reasons why I chose to leave, because I don't want a repeat.
_DeadFred_
3 hours ago
Is it this state people are talking about? This isn't my center of anything.
"Racist clauses in property deeds can’t be enforced, but still exist. A Texas bill would make it easier to remove them."
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/17/texas-property-deeds...
"Racist Clauses Are Common In Local Zoning Documents. Several Texas Bills Would Make It Easier To Change That." https://www.kut.org/texas/2021-05-14/racist-clauses-are-comm...
The real reason companies are moving to Texas (the casual racism is just a bonus)? Court shopping for their arbitration clauses. If you sue/have an arbitration dispute with a Texas based company they have strategically located their headquarters in the areas with the most 'court shopped' judges that will rule for the corps.
And even worse than establishing corporate headquarters as a form of court shopping, creations of corporate courts. https://www.commondreams.org/news/texas-business-courts
And the new Texas hotness? Why yes, private courts. https://www.steptoe.com/en/news-publications/private-judges-...
Refuse to do business with Texas corporations. They are un-American and take away so many of your rights when you do business with companies based there.
scoofy
3 hours ago
Why would you refer to historic racist policies that are no longer enforceable? We might as well talk about Japanese internment. It's not relevant to modern life.
DivingForGold
an hour ago
Thank you for NOT coming to Texas at all, we have plenty in Austin. 4th generation Texan.
testing22321
3 hours ago
Same thoughts as the father of a young girl.
I don’t want her to have less rights.
jleyank
3 hours ago
Some folks find Howdy Arabia to be a pleasant, rewarding place to live. To me, I think roughly half of the US working population would dispute this, as they would dispute a discussion of any other place. It's just that the disputants change based on where you're talking about.
It's warm. It's dry, and there's some evidence the power system isn't up to the task. Their call.
testing22321
3 hours ago
> It's just that the disputants change based on where you're talking about.
It would be good if everyone agreed that taking away basic human rights from women is a bad thing, but I guess were way past that.
gigatexal
3 hours ago
"Howdy Arabia" is gold. I legit laughed out loud.
I'd much rather companies that incorporated in Delaware than the Wild West that is Texas: I want to have peace of mind knowing the company is not trying to get away with shady stuff like Elon is with his companies.
jleyank
3 hours ago
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EPWN3D
3 hours ago
Fewer rights.
margalabargala
3 hours ago
"Less" isn't incorrect here.
vitalyan1234
3 hours ago
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sleepyguy
3 hours ago
Where the hell are you getting your information? Texas has the second-largest LGBTQ+ population in the United States, trailing only California. An estimated 1.8 million LGBTQ+ adults reside in the state. Demographically, this includes approximately 735,000 gay or lesbian adults, over 1.2 million bisexual individuals, and nearly 93,000 transgender
xboxnolifes
2 hours ago
The second largest state by population has the second largest population of a subset of the population? You don't say.
moomoo11
3 hours ago
california forever
i hope the right people and companies leave and go deal with high humidity and heat waves
sbmthakur
3 hours ago
Y'all are welcome to Washington if you can stand the gloom.
Telemakhos
3 hours ago
People who have lived in Washington for a long time do not, in fact, welcome Californians to Washington, nor is Washington especially warm and welcoming to anyone else. The Seattle Freeze is real.
cyanydeez
3 hours ago
as a normal human being who enjoys social safety nets and don't want to shut down local pools just because black people are allowed in them, I also don't like texas.
MAustriaGA
3 hours ago
All people who can self govern are allowed in local pools.
cyanydeez
2 hours ago
what a meaningless at best, statement.