AI OSS tool repo goes archived over night after raising $7.3M Seed

232 pointsposted 11 hours ago
by hek2sch

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agentifysh

18 minutes ago

I've forked this and will be updating and fixing issues going forward.

https://github.com/agentify-sh/gateway

For now I will just open this up to see if there is any interest if so I would be spending whatever free time I get to fix issues and open it up to other contributors so we can keep going.

I think its important to have an LLM gateway tool like this to remain open source.

GabrielBianconi

8 hours ago

I'm the co-founder and CEO of TensorZero.

We started the company two and a half years ago, and raised $7.3m in 2024 (announced only almost a year later). We've spent less than half of this amount.

Earlier this week we came to the difficult decision to wind down the project. The open-source repository remains available on GitHub (Apache 2.0) but won't be actively maintained by the team moving forward.

bel8

6 hours ago

Hi! First of all, congrats on getting much further than any of us will ever be able to dream. Having a well funded startup is no small feat.

Now one question that you probably get a lot and I must ask: why not pivot?

carterschonwald

5 hours ago

i had the very strange experience last week of a recruiter listing your org as an example client, and when i looked stuff up i saw the current state.

faeyanpiraat

8 hours ago

Are there any lessons around the why which may be publicly shared ?

GabrielBianconi

7 hours ago

There are many factors at play here but if I had to pick one... an open-source company has to find product market fit twice: first for the OSS project and again for a commercial product. The AI market moves very quickly so it's easy to take a step in the wrong direction and fall behind.

I might publish a long-form reflection when the dust settles.

gavinray

7 hours ago

It might come off as trite, but I genuinely am sorry that things didn't pan out for you

Very early in my career I used to believe that I or anyone else could be a CEO.

It wasn't until working with tiny teams where the CEO/founders devoted everything in their life to the business -- often at the expense of hobbies, romantic relationships, and any shred of free time -- that I realized true CEOs are a rare breed.

When are you ask things like "what happens if the product fails?" the answer would always be "It won't."

They both relentlessly believe in, and put every ounce of energy toward, their vision because anything less would not suffice

Again as trite as it sounds, I empathize with these people in that to them losing their vision felt like losing something dearest to them

Aurornis

3 hours ago

There’s a fallacy that successful companies are only successful because their CEO was a “rare breed” and that failed companies fail because their CEO didn’t have some innate quality.

This isn’t true. It’s easily shown to be not true by looking at all of the CEOs who had success with one endeavor and then failed all of their following startups, or the other way around.

A lot goes into founding a successful company. Not all of it is in anyone’s control. Not everything can be overcome by a CEO with powerful motivation.

Some times the market moves in ways nobody could have expected. I even worked at one startup that was destabilized and ultimately failed due to a natural disaster.

Looking back at the startups in my past, some of the worst CEOs were the ones who paraded around their ideals about failure not being an option or who pretended that they could get the company through anything through sheer force of their will and the power of their dream. One CEO who was all about “never give up, never surrender!” thinking ran the company into the ground because he refused to let us pivot after the initial idea didn’t get traction in the market but some other features were getting a lot of interest.

Some times knowing when to call it, move on to the next thing, and stop stringing your employees, investors, and customers along is an important CEO skill.

theendisney

2 hours ago

I know one who spends the days seemingly not doing antthing. He spends like a month with his own thoughts and comes up with truly bizare things that work.

In one instance he raised the price of something by 1000 times without adding anything extra. His explaination was that it would build the right community. In his opinion people were to negative/sceptical and talked to much about what things cost.

Cost him 90% of the customers innitially then grew by 100ish%. As if some high end comedy the 90% said it was to expensive and that it would never work. The other 10% really needed to see what would happen.

altmanaltman

6 hours ago

what do you mean a true "CEO"? Obviously there is a big difference between what someone like Satya Nadella does and what a CEO of a 10-person firm does.

In smaller startups, everyone is directly involved and has to punch above their weight to pull through, not just the CEO.

Also devoting everything in your life to one thing is not a mark of intelligence or skill. It is a mark of dedication but by itself means little.

And yeah, not everyone can be a CEO because most business fail very quickly. There is always an element of luck in those that survive.

But the idea that you devote 24x7 of your life hence you must be a good leader is not accurate. In fact, if you press this culture downstream, you'll tire your workers and the rest of the team.

gavinray

5 hours ago

There are personality traits inherent to successful CEO's that are in-born.

For example: I cannot imagine being a successful touring live performer. I am an introvert, I keep a rigid schedule so travel throws everything off, can't keep myself awake very late...

Could I perform the functions of a live performer? Yes, though no matter how much I "tried" the mismatch between the job and my natural tendencies is a recipe for failure.

  > not everyone can be a CEO because most business fail very quickly
Not everyone can be a CEO because not everyone is cut out for it. If you think you could step into those shoes, you're either built different or delusional.

gopher_space

34 minutes ago

> There are personality traits inherent to successful CEO's that are in-born.

The problem with your point of view is that "Love of cocaine" is one of them, it's near the top, and you'll never acknowledge the fact.

screamingninja

5 hours ago

> For example: I cannot imagine being a successful touring live performer. I am an introvert, I keep a rigid schedule so travel throws everything off, can't keep myself awake very late...

These are not examples of in-born traits. While I agree that not everyone has the motivation to become a CEO, I would disagree that a person cannot learn and adapt.

james_marks

2 hours ago

> If you think you could step into those shoes, you're either built different or delusional.

Being a bit delusional is a critical quality of some CEOs, so the distinction hardly matters.

sdesol

6 hours ago

> first for the OSS project and again for a commercial product.

Is there a way to reach out to you as I would like to hear what you have to say about what I am working on. You can update your HN profile to include contact information or you can reach out to me using my HN profile.

I'm basically working on a portable intelligence layer for AI that I will be open sourcing and the commerical product will be to make the intelligence layer even smarter. I can share the Show HN post that I am working on that better explains the value proposition and would love to learn any lessons you have gained while trying to sell AI tools commerically.

Edit: In case somebody calls me out it. I didn't want to use the `tensorzero` email domain incase the domain was going to become defunct soon.

DANmode

2 hours ago

He’s a cofounder,

and domains are cheap.

I’d shoot the note now if the feedback could be valuable.

cbsmith

6 hours ago

Are there other OSS LLMOps projects that have overtaken you? I couldn't think of one.

KennyBlanken

6 hours ago

> an open-source company has to find product market fit twice: first for the OSS project and again for a commercial product.

The only way this could be a 'lesson learned' is if you homehow managed to not pay any attention to what has been going on in the last 25 years with open source software companies.

beachy

2 hours ago

Not really - survivorship bias means that the open source companies you are referring to have all already passed the first hurdle.

cluckindan

8 hours ago

What did you spend the money on?

The other half goes where?

GabrielBianconi

8 hours ago

Mostly salaries to support a small team.

We are returning the remaining capital to investors.

herodoturtle

7 hours ago

Kudos to you and your team for not burning through the rest. Hope you have better luck with your next project.

maxnevermind

7 hours ago

I thought usually founders try to pivot till they run out of money. I wonder if that is good or bad for a serial entrepreneurs if they decide to shut it down instead of pivoting?

hn_throwaway_99

5 hours ago

I feel like pivoting got unwarranted hype in the 2010s or so, possibly because Slack was an outlier in how successful they were.

Major pivoting is almost always a really bad idea. (I admit I'm doing a bit of weaseling using the "major" qualifier, but when I searched for examples online, a lot of the ones that came back weren't major pivots, just slight refinements of focus to find better product market fit). Pivoting usually carries a lot of baggage - better to just give the money back and start afresh most of the time.

latchkey

6 hours ago

He might not have had that choice. Investors can put money into a bank account, and just as easily take it out. This is what happened in the 2000 dotbomb.

gtm1260

4 hours ago

not really true unless you raise on terrible terms.

Barbing

7 hours ago

I’ve never heard of this before. Anyone know if it’s uncommon?

Familiar with creditors getting divvied in bankruptcies, but not refunds to investors… oh it’s because there’s never any money left when things wind down. (We hear of retail stores where employees discover closures posted on shop doors when reporting to work.)

Schnitz

7 hours ago

This is super common with startups and is usually called an orderly shutdown. You don’t want to wait until you are insolvent, but stop when there is enough money left to pay all outstanding liabilities as well as the people that will shut down the business entity, do a final tax return and so on. Then whatever is left eventually gets paid back to investors, who usually have a liquidation preference requiring this as well. The alternative, running truly out of money, no one shutting down anything, a ghost entity that continues to accumulate taxes and penalties, creditors chasing whoever they can get a hold of, is much worse. Just because everyone quits doesn’t mean the entity ceases to exist.

killingtime74

7 hours ago

Worse and also most likely illegal too (sometimes jail or ban on running companies). Depends on where you do it.

GabrielBianconi

7 hours ago

It's pretty common. If a startup winds down before it runs out of money, it typically returns whatever is left to the investors. We didn't have any debt.

hn_throwaway_99

7 hours ago

It actually happens a lot. Sometimes founders may pivot when the original thesis isn't working out, but a lot of times the prudent thing to do is to just say that it didn't work out and return investors' money.

Honestly, I was close to flagging this story because the title is deliberately manipulative - it makes it sound like the founder did a rug pull. But I was really glad to see the founder come in to these comments and just say we tried, but the market shifted under us. Happens all the time.

GabrielBianconi

7 hours ago

Thanks, that's exactly what happened.

The title is misleading unfortunately but that's how social media goes...

mikeocool

7 hours ago

It’s not atypical when a startup figures out things aren’t going to work while there’s still money in the bank.

Early stage startups tend not to have a lot debt to pay off, because there aren’t many places willing to offer them much credit.

QuantumNomad_

7 hours ago

When I was in university I unsuccessfully attempted to start a company with two other students. We had a small amount of capital from a single investor. We did not pay ourself any salary. We had spent money on incorporating the company and buying a couple of iPads, and not yet spent money on marketing etc.

When after a few months we accepted that it wasn’t going to work, our investor got basically all his money back.

It was pocket change amounts compared to the sums of money that they deal with in Silicon Valley. But the point is the same anyway, the investor got back basically everything.

purple-leafy

4 hours ago

I had a similar thing happen, made a startup when I was 18 and incredibly dumb. Half my money and half an investors.

Ended up having to wind it down because it was a stupid idea and I realised quite quickly after spending money on it. Was a small amount of money but a lot for me. Luckily the investor never asked for money back.

Wound down my second one too but lost no money.

Then came into some money through a software sale about 7 years later, and offered to pay the first investor their full investment back, which was about half the money from the software sale (my only sale ever).

They really appreciated it but declined and instead said no, they want to invest in me AGAIN in the next one.

Felt really nice to have someone believe in you so much they would open themselves up to money risk again rather than take their initial investment back

theendisney

2 hours ago

Education costs time and money.

It would be depressing if your first painting was your best work.

ianm218

8 hours ago

Is there anything your willing to share on what went into the decision/ what you learned about trying to build this kind of product?

LeonM

10 hours ago

The title makes it sound like they just did a seed round, but the seed round was announced in August of last year [0].

Their website landing page is now also showing the software is no longer maintained. No mention of why they made this decision, my best guess is they burned through their seed money and were unable to attract further investments.

[0]: https://www.tensorzero.com/blog/tensorzero-raises-7-3m-seed-...

pnw

10 hours ago

The company was started in January 2024, so the seed financing is likely a roll-up of two years of fundraising. $7m for ~30 months of running an AI startup in NYC is not that unusual.

RobotToaster

10 hours ago

Burning through $7m in 9 months? That's an impressive amount of avocado toast.

rfgplk

9 hours ago

$7m actually isn't a whole lot, especially if they hired a (larger) engineering team. Assuming their cali based, that's easily 150-200k per engineer, a team of 20 easily eats through that. Idk the specifics, but I don't the organization was fradulent, it could also be that they're going commercial and no longer want to maintain their oss stack

wtfleming

8 hours ago

150-200k is also just the employee’s salary, the actual cost to the company is significantly higher, you need to multiply that by something like 1.5 to get the fully loaded cost, people are expensive!

DiggyJohnson

9 hours ago

20 engineers would be incredibly aggressive growth for such a young company with that amount of capital, no?

SR2Z

8 hours ago

The real number is probably closer to ~13 engineers, because it costs a company the worker's salary _again_ for benefits, payroll taxes, etc., etc.

GabrielBianconi

7 hours ago

Our team was much smaller. We didn't spend all the capital.

j45

7 hours ago

Tokenmaxxing makes startups even leakier if they don't find token traction.

whateveracct

8 hours ago

if you hire 20 engineers with your seed round you are either very confident you'll be able to use them to justify another raise soon

or you're incompetent

swiftcoder

8 hours ago

> very confident you'll be able to use them to justify another raise soon

That is indeed how the VC funding game is played. If you don't raise another round, you are dead anyway, so you spend down your seed round to try and justify that following round...

vips7L

9 hours ago

I thought ai was writing all the code. What do they need engineers for?

GabrielBianconi

8 hours ago

We raised in 2024 and only burned through ~$3m of it, mostly on salaries to support a small team.

yett

10 hours ago

And AI tokens

api

9 hours ago

That would be a lot still. That’s a lot of money.

I’d bet on extreme irresponsibility.

raverbashing

9 hours ago

Those Claude tokens are not cheap you know /s

kmac_

9 hours ago

About one year ago, I created an LLM gateway with metrics, provider fallback and switching, tools support, injecting, etc. etc., and unique features like acting as an MCP tools client and server, all streamed, with low latency.

It was a simple project in terms of technical complexity. I didn't publish it as I counted several similar projects in the field.

Putting $7.3M into such a project would make sense only in the case of a precise growth plan with already declared customers and an promising sales funnel. There is no technical moat.

jnovek

9 hours ago

The calculus in “buy or build” has shifted for me over the last six months especially. If I can make an agent build it, I get the version that’s tailored for me.

> It was a simple project in terms of technical complexity.

That’s the thing, though. The version I build for myself sheds all the features that get in my way. I don’t share them either because they’re only useful for me.

Perhaps in the future big tech projects will be delivered with a common “core” and the expectation that agents fill in the use-specific stuff.

rfgplk

9 hours ago

> The calculus in “buy or build” has shifted for me over the last six months especially. If I can make an agent build it, I get the version that’s tailored for me.

I feel like this is really going to change the software industry moving forwards. Historically it was tedious and time consuming to actually develop tailored dev tools which is why so many organizations relied on third party solutions. When nowadays you can easily half bake something in a few hours and get it working, tailored _specifically_ to your needs.

asdff

2 hours ago

>When nowadays you can easily half bake something in a few hours and get it working, tailored _specifically_ to your needs.

The thing is this requires you are given liberty to actually do this yourself. Think of something like say LMS software. Every college in the country is using what either blackboard or canvas. Could they make some bespoke LMS that works great for physics 101 at State university? Absolutely. But they don't, because the course director for physics 101 does not care or have the time to muck around with LMS prototypes. They barely have time to learn how to use their paid for LMS for anything but hosting the slides and syllabus.

So on the one hand, yes, there is massive creative potential for people to roll their own tools. But this is not often met with the required time and liberty to then go on to roll their own tools. Buying off the shelf still serves the organizational need it ever did: defer the creating to "someone else" who has been anointed by marketshare as the thing to do already, so that if shit really hits the fan you can just say you did what anyone would have done in your position. Same function as management consultancy: insulating fallout from bad ideas from the people who could be fired for it and give them essentially an out where they won't get browbeaten over it.

I think our culture around work and responsibility and "free time" needs a revolution for the LLMs to take off as promised as this playdoh tool.

jaggederest

9 hours ago

> Perhaps in the future big tech projects will be delivered with a common “core” and the expectation that agents fill in the use-specific stuff.

I suspect so, the headless / "api/cli only" tools like CRM are pretty big right now and I don't think we've seen the end of that trend, probably more like just beginning.

zackify

9 hours ago

That's literally every project around AI. All the agent sandboxes. Hosting cron jobs that just hit ai rest endpoints for model completions etc

indigodaddy

9 hours ago

Just use Plexus [1]. The maintainer is not trying to be a hero or raise seed dollars or even really trying to promote it. He's just making an excellent, useful product. (Unaffiliated, just a happy user). It's not a full-on "LLMOps" platform (whatever that is), it's just a proxy that works very well and has some nice features.

[1] https://github.com/mcowger/plexus

SeriousM

3 hours ago

Thanks! That's exactly what we need for our 6 ppl team.

jdw64

10 hours ago

VCs think, 'Apps are risky, infrastructure is safe,' so they invested in AI infra.

"infra is safe" Hmm, but that wasn't a good idea. because if an open source infrastructure project like TensorZero gets shut down this quickly, won't they start to realize that those investment theories are also risky?

The difficult thing about AI infrastructure is that, unlike other industries, it will not become fragmented. It will likely remain tied to specific big tech models. What does this mean? It means that because AI models are not yet standardized, the infrastructure itself is actually riskier. In other words, the privatization of standards is happening.

The challenge with AI infrastructure is that an independent, stable standard layer has not formed, unlike in other software infrastructure markets such as databases, web servers, cloud, and containers. Over time, those ecosystems developed relatively standardized interfaces and operational layers. But the LLM ecosystem is still evolving rapidly. Models themselves change fast, APIs differ, pricing differs, context windows, tool calling, structured output, evaluation, fine tuning, caching, routing, everything keeps changing.

So even if an infrastructure startup tries to build a common abstraction layer across multiple models, before that common layer can stabilize, big model or cloud providers like OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, AWS, or Azure can just absorb the same functionality directly. In the end, AI infrastructure is at high risk of becoming an attached feature of model providers rather than solidifying as an independent layer.

But if a startup that raised 7.3 million dollars fails this quickly, who would trust and invest in such things? That aside, it seems AI startups are all the rage these days. I also want to learn AI and get funded like that. Does anyone here trust me enough to invest? About one hundredth of that would probably be enough

rfgplk

9 hours ago

A few comments.

> VCs think, 'Apps are risky, infrastructure is safe,' so they invested in AI infra.

First off, this isn't even infra in the infra sense of the word. Infrastructure implied something physical, a pure software product can almost never be considered 'infra'. A tool maybe, but not 'infra'.

VCs can also be irrational and driven primarily by personal connections rather than reason. I didn't do a deep dive in this project/leadership, but often who you know is some important than what you produced. There's a reason why a lot of VCs go for the old motto of "I'd rather invest in an A team with a C product; than invest in a C team with an A product".

realsarm

9 hours ago

I also believe the same. Many VCs are obsessed with moat that they clearly got wrong. To me the value created at app layers are so much that gives them the flexibility to diversify their infra layers. Good harnessed do not depend on a specific model provider or memory layer or etc that when it is taken down like anthropic fable they get no risk exposure. Many even after growing train their own model like what cursor did with composer. There’s many more examples in other verticals like manus, superhuman, fireflies, lovable, replit, cursor, nouswise, cline windsurf and kilo but many are concentrated in coding because again I think VCs have preferred this definition of moat.

jdw64

8 hours ago

Due to the echo chamber effect, our opinions get reinforced, which can lead to biased conclusions, so it gives me pause. But your comment is so eerily similar to my own thoughts that I'm writing this reply.

I agree that most people misunderstand the concept of a 'moat' and become obsessed with that misunderstanding. People tend to think that only technical 'coding skills' which they can easily understand constitute a moat. But in reality, the moat is the entire workflow across the product's lifecycle, including coing skills. In that sense, infrastructure workflows are nothing more than 'the most easily replaceable consumables.' The essential purpose of infrastructure is to pursue 'standardization,' which paradoxically means a state of 'zero switching costs' where customers (app developers) can switch at any time to a better API or a big tech built in feature. Pure technology that doesn't latch onto the messy real world domains of customers will inevitably be absorbed without resistance by massive capital.

In some ways, customer lock in at the application layer, or even the fan culture around a product, creates emotional lock in. The end user app that provides a specific workflow integrated into users' daily routines can overcome even technical inferiority through 'experience' and 'emotion.' Technology can be copied, but the user identity attached to a tool is what I think a real moat is.(That is also the reason I love Windows.)

The example you gave, Cursor's Composer, is exactly the case I'm talking about. I think Cursor is inferior, and I don't think its Composer model feature is all that great either. But Cursor has a passionate fan base, and users who choose Composer as the best value for money no longer care about absolute technical performance or benchmark scores. They are captivated by the 'speed of experience' of code being completed quickly as they intended, and the 'frictionless workflow' the tool provides.it's not the company that builds the best AI model that wins, but the company that wraps 'good enough technology' in 'great UX' and dominates users' habits. That is how apps dominate infrastructure, and that's the moat you and I are thinking about.

That said, this conclusion is probably too hasty and has many flaws. Still, your thoughts are so similar to mine that I'm leaving this reply. Thanks for the great comment. Have a good day

GabrielBianconi

7 hours ago

Our investors aren't looking for safe, they're looking for a small chance in funding the next Databricks or similar. Most times it doesn't work out unfortunately, but that's part of the game.

(Also, we raised the capital in 2024 and didn't burn most of it.)

jdw64

6 hours ago

First of all, I respect your decision. I apologize for speaking too hastily about your choices. What I was trying to do was simply talk about how incredibly fast AI infrastructure changes. I also understand your respect for investors looking for the next Databricks. But the reason I wrote what I did is because the confidence expressed in the README ended so early. That said, such confidence isn't necessarily a bad thing. Isn't it said that victory belongs to challengers like you, not cynical people like me? I feel bad about that part. Still, I have no intention of withdrawing my skeptical view about whether AI infrastructure can succeed as an open source startup. I'm very sorry it came across as if I was mocking your failure. That was not my intent. I was simply trying to leave a comment saying that AI infrastructure has a different direction from traditional infrastructure.

GabrielBianconi

6 hours ago

Thanks, appreciate the follow-up. It's certainly still to be determined if OSS AI infra will pan out, but I hope it does!

jdw64

6 hours ago

I wish you success. I wasn't trying to mock your failure, and I'm truly sorry if I made you feel bad. I don't want to be a cynical person who mocks others' challenges. I apologize again for that. I was just expressing that something doesn't seem right from my current perspective. I hope your next challenge goes well.

I mean it. I'm sorry once again

pqtyw

9 hours ago

Infra is perhaps somewhat safe but realistically it's a really low margin capital intense business long-term unless you can lock-in customers with hundreds of services like AWS. So not a lot of space for a huge ROI.

> are all the rage these days

Are they? Overall it seems kind of tame compared to 2020-21 since VCs are somewhat risk average outside of a few outliers. Funding looks much more concentrated these days.

jdw64

9 hours ago

You're right. Looking at recent indicators, there are more stable investments than I thought. But please understand that, as a human, I haven't achieved ROI in terms of marriage, relationships, a stable job, etc., so my perspective might be mixed with a bit of envy

Eridrus

7 hours ago

Tell me you haven't talked to a VC.

A better model for VCs is: companies are finding tons of budget to allocate to new AI spend. Besides the labs, who is going to be able to capture some of that spend while they're actively looking to spend it?

Nobody at the seed stage is investing in things they think are "safe". They are investing in things they think have huge upside.

jdw64

7 hours ago

Sometimes people don't realize that 'professional' ideals and 'reality' are different.

What you're talking about seems like 'ideal' investing, not real world investing at all. Of course, the VCs in your country and the VCs in my country are different.

It's like in software, where everyone says you should write maintainable code within the norms, but in reality, most people don't do that

that investing in 'potential' is the basic principle of VCs. They call it the power law. But when you look at actual investment portfolios, it seems quite rare for people to follow only that principle. I guess you don't think so. Of course, I agree that ideal venture investing follows the power law. But in real world investing, there are pragmatic investors who operate somewhere between the ideal and reality. We always project ourselves onto the 'ideal,' but I don't think there are only people who are immersed in that ideal. Of course, no VC would invest in someone like me. I've met with VCs three times in my career, but they all turned me down. Haha.

jdw64

6 hours ago

Anyway, I wasn't trying to mock your profession. Here's what I think. Most VCs and investors have their own success formula. There will be VCs who succeeded by investing in infrastructure. But the question is whether that same success formula applies to AI startups right now. Of course, from your perspective, it might look like 'this clueless kid is just being cynical without knowing anything.' I partly agree. But that's not the core of my argument.

What I'm trying to say is that those success formulas themselves need to be reconsidered.An insider from up there came out and talked about the next 'Databricks,' believing that's the kind of potential they're looking for. All of them do. Everyone wants to be the first investor in a goldmine. I don't think this is just about greed

The question is whether the traditional infrastructure investment logic holds here. I think most current AI infrastructure tools are closer to 'temporary patches' that exist before the functionality gets internalized.

Let's say infrastructure is like a concrete building. Traditional IT infrastructure basically has a standards committee, and once that committee sets things, changes are extremely rare. It's a kind of 'lake.' But AI infrastructure right now is different from one to another; even the ecosystems differ—the Chinese ecosystem is different from the US ecosystem. It's a flowing 'river.' I just think the question is whether the old grammar can be applied in this situation.

You probably have more money, more investment experience, and more success than I do. I only have a lot of failure. But apart from that, the issue is simply that 'potential' in growth potential ends up being data measured against past examples, and the question is whether that data still holds up now. Anyway, I might have been slightly sarcastic earlier, so I apologize for that. Someone as successful as you, please bear with it a little.

hn_throwaway_99

3 hours ago

> VCs think, 'Apps are risky, infrastructure is safe,' so they invested in AI infra.

I think you're really overgeneralizing what "infrastructure" means in this case.

pavlov

10 hours ago

This is the claim in the repo readme that presumably unlocked the VC investment:

“TensorZero is used by companies ranging from frontier AI startups to the Fortune 10 and fuels ~1% of global LLM API spend today.”

One percent seems like a lot. Anyone on HN use this?

GabrielBianconi

7 hours ago

We raised most of the capital before we had any traction. We raised on a rolling basis and had millions in the bank before we had even published the open-source repository. Ultimately we raised based on the team's background + vision.

The ~1% figure might be outdated today but it was a best-effort estimate a couple of months ago. TensorZero powered tens of trillions of inference tokens per month. TensorZero is not widely used but it was used by a couple of extreme-scale users.

pavlov

6 hours ago

Thank you, appreciate the response. It’s a great part of the HN community that there’s almost always someone around with the first-hand experience and facts.

Best of luck with whatever you do next!

spmurrayzzz

9 hours ago

I used it, but only briefly to evaluate it. It had some overlap with a tool I built myself, was curious if any of the extra features would be useful.

Ultimately I found the data model and UI to be both cumbersome and unintuitive. Langfuse ended up being the observability tool I went with instead over the one I built (and still use today).

sebmellen

10 hours ago

Generally speaking, every YC company post ~2020 is forced to make pathologically false claims to compete in the (fundraising) market.

ojosilva

9 hours ago

Just tell AI to write your copy and that's what you get, overhype-as-a-service.

croes

9 hours ago

Rounded to the nearest percent >0

lostmsu

9 hours ago

ceil(market_share)

MonstraG

10 hours ago

For people like myself, who didn't understand the timing of events - raised in august 2025, archived yesterday without any notice.

hek2sch

11 hours ago

Most VCs avoided application layer believing it is too risky with few player would emerge as winner over application layers calling them GPT wrapper (now called Harness) and pouring money into infra layer. Would love to see your opinion about how this thesis would turn out going forward.

_pdp_

10 hours ago

Not my experience. I think most VCs thesis is around the application layer - not much around the infrastructure.

That being said, while I am biased, there is a lot of work around infrastructure so calling it "just a wrapper" massively underestimates the effort - this is purely from my own experience building this space.

Besides, if it is true how come OpenClaw is spending so much money on a open source project. Salaries alone will cost 7 digit sum for a harness and I have first hand experience dealing with companies doing exactly this.

Shameful plug - we are building cbk.ai, better known today as chatbotkit.com.

variety8675

10 hours ago

Open source powers the business of many large corporations and they give essentially nothing back - why would maintainers refuse an offer for money in this environment?

andruby

6 hours ago

What are good OSS alternatives? Or do most users not bother with such infra tool?

feverzsj

10 hours ago

At least it's not a pig butchering scam.

xyst

6 hours ago

Among the first domino to fall leading up the AI bust. Hope my 401K won’t get decimated by this one.

krembo

8 hours ago

I don’t understand the commenters here who are attacking the entrepreneur. If it's not your money, then he is accountable only to his investors.

arjie

3 hours ago

Click through to their profiles and you'll find that they habitually do this. Preserve your own sanity and just eject them from your feed by removing comment subtrees starting with their comments. I see less than half of the comments in this thread and they're in the realm of reasonable.

Treat it as an engineering problem where you're trying to lower the noise floor.

RIMR

6 hours ago

You don't have to have money on something to have an opinion about it.

villgax

9 hours ago

Just switch to Bifrost already

rvz

10 hours ago

But it is written in Rust™.

shevy-java

10 hours ago

Guys - skynet is winning the war. We oldschool humans are left behind here.

Wasn't GitHub once a place for humans? Now we could rename it SkyHub.