A Man Who Reads Books for a Living

113 pointsposted 12 hours ago
by gmays

85 Comments

zabzonk

8 hours ago

I was once unemployed for a year when I was young (about 19) and I rather frighteningly read about one (probably 0.75) fairly serious novel a day (think Graham Greene sort of stuff). I have loads of time on my hands now (I'm 72) and thankfully could not get anywhere near that today.

luqtas

3 hours ago

how scary is the decay of cognition? i'm 29 and i already noticed the amount of energy i had on my early 20s on everything, stamina to read, watch movies, exercise, recover from the exercise etc. compared to what i have now. guess it's a slow downhill till i mature to old age but still. shit. i hate the linear time

fredrikholm

an hour ago

It's important to factor in lifestyle factors here.

By the time you hit 40, you've accumulated ~20 years of adult-life habits. For a lot of people, that lifestyle is very sedentary, missing most dietary recommendations (insufficient fiber intake, oversufficient saturated fat intake), poor sleep, frequent emotional stress etc.

As a young adult, you've spent most of your life being very active, sleeping ~10 hours a night (as a child), having plenty of downtime and playtime etc. It's why you can party hard, study hard and sleep a little; you're starting fresh.

The good news is that some of these habits are massive levers; biological age can drift decades (worst-to-best).

zabzonk

2 hours ago

I find it a bit scary too - I simply cannot write programs anymore (mostly motivation, I think) though I'm not conscious of decay in my other mental functions. But I suppose those poor people that go wandering off into the night would say the same sort of thing.

Jean-Papoulos

2 hours ago

So you think that it's mostly a lack of general "stamina" for actually doing things, over the lessening of abilities to do things ?

fallous

2 hours ago

It's not a linear cognitive decline but more like hitting a wall (usually late 40s/early 50s). What's it like? Frustrating as Hell because you can remember your prior capabilities but have to deal with things like randomly forgetting words/names temporarily, decreased short-term memory abilities, etc.

jaggederest

2 hours ago

43, I've never felt better or smarter, the wisdom vs intelligence ratio is real, and you learn to take better care of yourself over time. I am definitely old, but it's less in the brain than I would have expected when I was younger.

The other thing you gain is time contraction - a year now feels like a month when I was younger, so it's easier to plan long term and follow through on projects.

But I too am very interested in the perspective from closer to 80! I suspect, if I'm lucky enough to make it there, I'll consider present me the same kind of fool as I now consider younger me.

jimbob45

21 minutes ago

The regret is what infuriates me. If I knew in high school what I know now about how to take care of this specific body, I’d have been unstoppable.

jaggederest

8 minutes ago

I think you have to give yourself the grace of realizing it's research. Nobody comes into the world with a manual, and even people with great intuition in taking care of themselves run into unexpected challenges

knocte

5 hours ago

> and thankfully could not get anywhere near that today.

Because you're addicted to HN now and HN didn't exist by then?

zabzonk

3 hours ago

I don't spend anywhere near the time on HN today that I used to spend reading books back then.

david927

11 hours ago

I had a good friend who did this -- was a reader for a movie studio, looking for adaptations. Everyone teased him for having such a great job.

Rebelgecko

5 hours ago

How did he get that job? I imagine you have to prove you have good "taste" for what makes a good movie... I imagine some difference from what makes a good book

TylerE

9 hours ago

I kinda feel that's like "video game tester". Sounds great from the outside, but I bet he spent 90% of time reading absolute dreck.

NooneAtAll3

7 hours ago

the worst part isn't even the garbage, it's the "good plot written in very bad way"

you power through it, you get invested - but you know that nothing will ever come out of it and in no way can you recommend it

sharkjacobs

11 hours ago

> a professional book reader who evaluates literature specifically for screen adaptation

dylan604

11 hours ago

From studio output, it feels like all they read are graphic novels

stevenwoo

7 hours ago

He says he mainly summarizes plot and that the qualities of the writing are not important. It seems like that would miss opportunities - for instance he didn’t think Vineland was adaptable and didn’t even recognize One Battle After Another as the adaptation when he saw it until the credits rolled. Another example, IMHO Arrival is a beautiful adaptation that improves upon the original short story mostly by addition, or maybe it’s cause Amy Adams is more charismatic than the character in my imagination.

sateesh

3 hours ago

I think "Arrival" as a story is better than the movie. I think the movie misses on the part on how hard communication can be, and how different is the way aliens grok the reality as a whole. Also did you watch the movie first and read the story or the other way. I read the story first and then watched the movie with lot of anticipations, and was tad disappointed.

dylan604

6 hours ago

Stand By Me and Shawshank Redemption are good examples of the adaptation being an improvement. Then again, adaptations are usually a novel being adapted for a shorter telling rather than a short story being elaborated.

eszed

5 hours ago

Those are great, but The Godfather is my favorite example. The book is, honestly, terrible. The prose is bad. It focuses almost exclusively on the salacious - does it need to tell us that many times about the size of Sonny's cock? - and enjoys the violence a bit too much. None of the minor characters leave any impression at all. The movie, though, is... The Godfather. It transcends it's source, without transposing or changing anything - in fact, I suspect it's far more faithful to its historical setting than the novel - more fully than any adaptation I'm aware of.

simiones

43 minutes ago

Another pretty famous example is Stalker, based on Roadside Picnic by the Strugatsky brothers. The novel is an ok sci-fi concept, but the film takes it to a whole other philosophical level.

ASalazarMX

10 hours ago

I was skeptical, but the article starts with Train Dreams, which according to HowLongToRead, would take 2 hours at 300 WPM.

https://howlongtoread.com/books/323872/Train-Dreams

Two days per book full time means one every 16 hours. Enough to read the full Foundation Trilogy with one hour to rest between books.

On a side note, I'm ashamed to share that I tested my reading speed, and while it was 264 WPM, my reading comprehension was 50%. That's why I read slower, and frequently re-read.

https://swiftread.com/reading-speed-test

Out of spite I tried to measure my Spanish reading, 520 WPM and 100% comprehension. Very unfair since it's my native language and I can glance and skip instead of reading every word.

https://speedreadr.com/es/

CobaltFire

9 hours ago

Can't say I ever took a test like that. 644wpm and 100% in English (native language).

Hard to judge that based on just five questions though.

daveshistory

8 hours ago

You will feel more judged when you score 67% like me.

Edited to add: we must have followed different links though, mine only had three questions obviously.

CobaltFire

7 hours ago

I think it gives various passages and questions from a bank.

Mine was a paragraph about small loans to poor populations, and had five questions.

daveshistory

6 hours ago

Yeah, mine was about the social meaning of distances when speaking to people (not exactly my specialty!).

guardiangod

5 hours ago

ESL and I got 512 WPM and 75%. I don't agree with the 1 wrong answer but I digress.

Reading fast means you can take in more info per unit of time. It can be a useful ability, if tedious at times.

daveshistory

10 hours ago

I'm curious what these tests are measuring if you say your reading comprehension is only 50%. Your comment here is completely articulate and sensible so you are obviously fluent in English.

Edited to add: hm. I just got 67%. I guess my college degree is a waste. Should have gone the humanities route instead.

ASalazarMX

10 hours ago

It hurts, doesn't it? I also thought a few measly questions would be a piece of cake, and mainly focused on speed.

daveshistory

8 hours ago

I didn't consciously focus on speed. I just completely overestimated my ability to skim. Interesting. I think I actually would have done better when I was younger and used to doing these things in school. I obviously don't read as carefully as I used to.

Makes you wonder what else you're missing.

dylan604

10 hours ago

In high school, there was an academic event for reading comprehension. I tried it one time and was humiliated. They read aloud to you a story, and then they ask you questions about it after. I have no idea where my head was, as I didn't do well at all. I never tried the event again. It wasn't until that experience before I realized that I'm the type that needs to read things multiple times for it to stick.

daveshistory

8 hours ago

I feel like in high school I would have scored better on this. I was overconfident. I skimmed it quickly, like anything I would have done at work, and figured I'd sort of internalize the main points. Like I think I do at work.

Oops.

yankee_dodge

8 hours ago

Robert Redford's character in _Three Days of the Condor_ gets asked what he does for a living. "I read." Has always seemed to be the ideal job. :-)

Slow_Hand

6 hours ago

You mean the job where his entire department was murdered?

mrandish

8 hours ago

To me the interesting question about a job like this is "How can you tell if you're doing it well?" It involves such high-stakes, high-uncertainty and highly variability that it has to be nearly impossible to know. I mean you're predicting distant outcomes from creative pursuits which must first survive a gauntlet of wicked complexity and randomness.

Only a few percent of your judgements are ever tested (by surviving being optioned, produced and released) and, of the ones that are, at best you only get a small sampling of false positives over a sea of potential false negatives. I imagine he's incredibly interested in the fate of any titles he didn't recommend which end up being produced (perhaps by another studio). Having filled a similar role in a different industry with similar high-stakes 'unknowables', I thought a lot about this. It was pretty obvious what practically mattered was how much my output "felt right" to downstream decision-makers vs actually being right.

While my stakeholders were quite happy with my work, actually targeting such ephemeral and uncorrelated feedback felt unproductive and dumb. Eventually, I settled on making the evaluation process fully transparent and consistent. I ensured all objective criteria were documented and each subjective judgement had clear confidence intervals. This was more challenging than it sounds. In the end, it was still hard to know if I was really improving year to year. For that, I still had to rely on my own, mostly subjective, self-assessment but at least I had some objective tracking data to calibrate on. That at least helped me feel like I was executing with diligence and integrity. It also increased my confidence no one else in the industry was doing it any better.

gobdovan

2 hours ago

I suppose it's mostly about clear communication. If you are reviewing books for a movie, the job does not seem to be "will this become a successful adaptation?" so much as "what is the strongest movie latent in this book, and how do I communicate that to the people who can act on it?". Those people would then try to imagine how that script would be portrayed on the screen, what the acting would be like, what the scenes would look like and where the material would break under translation. Given you all have some understanding about what makes a great script and what makes a great movie, you make a pipeline that has multiple experts controlling different aspects of the transformation and generating the strongest final product based on the original book, which, from book adaptations I saw, most of the time is just a thin seed rather than a forced blueprint.

If it later turns out the material was not adaptable in the way you thought, I'd imagine that is not just a binary miss, since the reader, producer, writer and executives can discuss and try to see where their judgement failed and what went wrong. I get that the hard feedback is sparse, but it doesn't have to be researche-grade measurements as much as it has to be good judgement, constant reality checks, even if just from proxies, and good taste. I'd be curious if this sounds close to what you were doing.

PS: there's this Dalton + Michael YC advice for startups which seems relevant: when outcomes are highly uncertain, you can't judge the result-only whether you acted logically, ethically and treated people well along the way.. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgcdvIj5I-k)

dhdaadhd

8 hours ago

Please tell more!

mrandish

6 hours ago

Not sure what you want to know. To me, the interesting aspect is the unique challenges of making high-stakes decisions in ultra high-uncertainty situations where you never receive any feedback signal on most of your calls. And the little you do get is greatly delayed or buried in ambient noise. Yet, due to the size of the infrequent prize, the game can still be worth playing... if you can find and hold a slight edge.

There aren't a lot of professional careers which require skill and years of experience yet are flooded with so many false positives, false negatives, and "we'll never even knows". Domains where playing at a world-class level only takes being right 5% of the time - are just hard to reason about. It can feel like a sadistic casino where 97% of blackjack hands have no clear winner, yet sometimes hitting on 20 is the optimal call. But other times standing on 12 is the best strategy. But it's not entirely random. There are real signals. It's just hard to identify which are real, which are red noise and which are just mapped backward.

With so many false positives and false negatives it's easy to end up chasing black swans (random outlier events). Or to just settle for trying to please your boss, whose own track record is probably closer to astrology than strategy. My best meta-takeaway is to focus on thoroughly mapping the decision space, carefully track and map all the signals, even build a taxonomy of signal types if you can. Then relentlessly optimize the decision making process over the actual outcomes. Why? Because in such 'wicked' domains, sometimes the wrong decision process can still score winning results. And other times, an optimal decision process can yield a string of losses. Your job depends on figuring which is which before it's obvious to other expert players.

As for the book reader in the TFA, I suspect a lot of his value isn't in his a binary "go / no go" call. It's accurately mapping the strengths and weaknesses of a particular title and suggesting where to place it in the studio's current decision matrix. And, on a good day, maybe spotting non-obvious ways the property could be developed.

saimiam

4 hours ago

Sounds to some extent like advertising and marketing in a market like India which is still predominantly offline and driven by visibility.

mrandish

4 hours ago

Sounds like an opportunity! One thing about these 'sadistic casino' domains is that small edges can have outsized impact. Even imperfect data that's swamped in noise can work. As long as the noise is consistent enough to be modeled, you can glean actionable insight.

Outdoor billboards are often priced based on raw traffic count. Imagine using a cheap license plate reader to sample traffic looking for enough identity data to map back to actual consumer behavior. Even if you can only do it for a few days and only a fraction of percent of your samples correlate to partial data, given high enough stakes and noise - just adding that as a correction overlay on your existing shitty model can yield a winning edge. In the land of illusions, any ground truth can be gold.

zem

3 hours ago

I always think of the twain quote:

There are wealthy gentlemen in England who drive four-horse passenger-coaches twenty or thirty miles on a daily line in the summer because the privilege costs them considerable money; but if they were offered wages for the service, that would turn it into work, and then they would resign.

-- Mark Twain

keiferski

2 hours ago

This is my retirement plan in circa 40 years from now: own a small bookshop/cafe and sit around reading a book all day. Without the pressure of reviews or deadlines.

oinoom

12 hours ago

I started to find this article interesting but every time I tapped “x” on an ad to dismiss it, no more than five seconds later, the same ad would appear at the bottom and distract me. Over and over.

asdff

11 hours ago

The internet is so much better blocking ads.

ASalazarMX

11 hours ago

If someone has the will to fight those little xs, they have the will to install uBlock Origin. It even works on iPad and iPhone now, through a regular Safari Plugin.

dieselgate

10 hours ago

All my xs live in Texas.... and uBlock Origin even works on my locked down work Dell with firefox!

readthenotes1

10 hours ago

So you're saying your PC is in Tennessee? Or is that just your VPN?

bsammon

10 hours ago

sorta piling on here, but it's also worth noting that this problem goes away (and the article is quite readable) in a browser with javascript turned off (and no adblocker).

gobins

6 hours ago

On a similar note, I have friends who watches TV Series and Movies before they come out to create/review the subtitles. Sounds like fun job but gets boring really fast.

adammarples

6 hours ago

Can you tell him to stop eliding words and paraphrasing that would be great. Also [speaks French] instead of translating or giving French subtitles.

bloak

an hour ago

Also [soft violin music] when it's a Bach cello suite.

gobins

4 hours ago

Haha, [leaves rustling] I will ask her.

mncharity

9 hours ago

"I read books [...] I've read a couple of books a week for [...] 50 [years]"[1] - Jim Keller (CPU designer) with Lex Fridman.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=5039s

__patchbit__

4 hours ago

How does a Nokia snake game decide a path through ALL the books as if an intellectual stream of consciousness in AI core unsupported by runtime or operating system, contained in a portable cartridge smartphone form factor that mounts on humanoid or any other embodiment, where each book is a signed distance field to concentric open unit balls and at any point is a three way split projection to a triangle surface into the mathsemantic field or manifold, etc? imagine a bare metal self programming LISP that has journeyed 20 thousand years in the Asimov positronic brain construction.

garciasn

9 hours ago

TIL I can get paid for doing what I do for fun: reading ~100 books a year.

What surprises me is that he only reads about 50 more books a year than I do, and he does it full time.

cortesoft

8 hours ago

The title is misleading, he isn't paid to read books he is paid to write an executive summary evaluating a book's suitability for film. The reading is just required for him to do his actual job.

deepsun

8 hours ago

Don't make a work off your hobby, you'll stop loving that.

"Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life" is a lie.

sateesh

3 hours ago

I don't think it is cut and dry as that. Of the top of my head I can think of "Jorge Luis Borges" who was a voracious reader and much of his career involved reading (literary adviser, librarian etc.). I don't think (can't know for sure) he hated his job.

embedding-shape

8 hours ago

Not necessarily true for everyone, either of them. Both parts feel too dogmatic, it always depends.

laughing_man

6 hours ago

True for me. I used to love writing software. About fifteen years into my career I lost interest in side projects, and by the time I retired anything that smacks of coding seems like drudgery.

I occasionally watch a woodworking YouTube channel. The creator tells people if they start woodworking as a job they'll have to find a new hobby.

mrandish

8 hours ago

While he reads books in his job, what he's actually paid for is quickly synthesizing what he's read into actionable judgements assessing whether (and in what ways) those books have potential to be adapted into commercial film scripts. His assessments are ~10 to ~20 pages, and while being free-form to some extent, still follow fairly evolved standards for format, structure, criteria and terminology.

nomadiccoder

9 hours ago

> even allowing for time off, that works out to roughly 300 books a year, or well over 6,000 across two decades. And that is just the professional tally.

garciasn

9 hours ago

Every other day is ~3/week which is between 150 and 180/year; not 300.

He’d be reading nearly 6/week, which is ~every day.

embedding-shape

9 hours ago

> He’d be reading nearly 6/week, which is ~every day.

Sounds like one book per bank day, mon-fri, like many work schedules out there :) Would make sense considering the context too, doesn't sound like too much or too little.

garciasn

8 hours ago

Ah; that makes more sense. Thank you kind HNer.

ourmandave

7 hours ago

I wonder how he felt about holiday vacation book report assignments back in school.

foo-bar-baz529

10 hours ago

This seems like the kind of profession that AI would’ve already destroyed. Aren’t LLMs pretty good at what he’s doing?

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS

8 hours ago

Can't be any worse than what Hollywood puts out already.

mrkstu

8 hours ago

I read two books a day in middle school. Still my favorite time to look back on…

nephihaha

10 hours ago

I would imagine this sucks the fun out of some books and also forces you to read a lot of dreadful books. I knew a bibliophile who worked for a publisher and was sad to hear from him that he rarely got time to read for pleasure.

ASalazarMX

10 hours ago

Isn't this a work-life balance issue? I work 8 hours a day on my work computer(s), yet I'm still eager to use my home computer for hobbies or pleasure.

This person could read for pleasure if they set the time for it. When I was coding all day, I didn't have the will to code for hobby at home, so maybe they had the time but not the drive.

dyauspitr

10 hours ago

This is LLM territory and they are extremely good at it.

devilsdata

9 hours ago

For executives looking to impress? Not really. Being able to rattle off perspective on a book, curated by someone with very high media literacy would signal the same level of media literacy to their audience.

An LLM may be able to synthesise results well each time, but there will be quite a difference between a synopsis written by an LLM and someone whose job it is to write synopses of books.

Huge difference in quality, and considering the clientele, they are willing to pay for that quality.

dyauspitr

8 hours ago

There really isn’t anymore. It can ape anyone’s style well, including insights and almost no one can reliably tell if something is AI or not.

saltcured

7 hours ago

It's a fascinating question. I took the GPP as "media literacy" as more of an elite culture shibboleth. Making the right references in this sort of elitist signalling process is more about showing alignment to your contemporaries. It is just as much making the right references and omitting other references.

Being an LLM that "knows a bit of everything" doesn't necessarily give you access to know the audience expectations in this sort of environment. They are layers of fashion and social context which almost intrinsically embodied as a fringe of temporal currency and connection, not necessarily available in any training corpus.

An LLM could be stuck in some imposter/savant moat here, always making last year's references or possibly over or under selling the current expectation.

seabombs

9 hours ago

Boring isn't it? Reading half a book every single day.

Not for him though, he loves it.

anoncow

11 hours ago

With exceptions, after sometime everything can bring you down or nothing can bring you down.