I don’t think people realize that these devices can even be used that way. I talk with people outside of the tech scene frequently, and they are routinely surprised when I tell them about this sort of capability. The ring doorbell Super Bowl commercial about finding lost dogs was a genuine shock to people! I think there’s a degree of visibility you need to get people’s attention on an issue, and it’s just difficult to see a doorbell as a threat for the average person.

Ring is dead near me. Everyone had Ring doorbells until someone went around with a hammer and fucked them all up.

> Is it just that there's a direct personal benefit with those devices, and people view the trade-off as being worth it?

I think that's mostly it. Basically since Flocks only use is for the systematic tracking of people for use by police and government agencies, it's a lot easier to get people to turn against it. There's just no upside to them that any individual would ever benefit from.

It's sad because if/when Flock dies the death of deserves, the software/infrastructure will likely just get sold off and reapplied to some other deployment scheme like Ring quietly forgoing the big Superbowl Ad.

Dont forget about Waymo and similar. As much surveillance as flock.

I so want to push back that all this is too little too late, because the system ,though still distributed , is effectively in place already. But.. I also don't want to be the old guy telling kids not to rebel. After all, being young and thinking ( knowing! ) one can change the world, is what being young human is all about. FWIW, it may well be their version of decss, ows and so on.

On the other hand, come to think of it, despite OWS being broken up by fancy new approaches ( rumor has it, Walls Street got spooked enough to see what effective methods can be employed given that Pinkerton approach would have been frowned upon then ), I don't recall FBI marking the participants in any special way ( please correct me if I am missting anything ).

Bugs me no end that my latest upstairs neighbor (I've been here for 15 years) has a ring on their door which means I have to be in front of it every time I go in & out my own door.

It doesn't matter how thoughtful you are, someone else will be thoughtless for you.

There is some push on that too but Flock is sponsored by people's taxes, while ring is someone's personal choice.

>the most egregious abuses of privacy

wait until you hear about EU's EES

They aren’t and no one legitimately did. This is extrajudicial surveillance state stuff

Surveillance and privacy invasion is profitable, so not ironic at all.

I dunno if it is ironic. Most of us recognize that technology itself is a tool. It can be used in any number of ways including ones in which some portions of the population may disagree with.

Speed cameras save lives. It's best when they're paired with:

- good publicity (drivers know that speed cameras exist)

- density (high chance of passing a speed camera)

- enforcement of penalties (if fines can be ignored then they lose their deterrent effect)

- portable (so you don't know where they are ahead of time)

They definitely slowed drivers down in San Francisco: data was released proving it.

Since military service is mandatory in Israel, it means that basically any Israeli (with the exception of Hasidic Jews), male or female, is, not by choice, ex-IDF. It isn't a signal of their choices, or willing participation, just of where they were born.

If you don't know this, now you do. If you knew this already...

Most of the leadership is from Georgia Tech. Who are you talking about?

I have been corrected: Eyal H. is the Senior Director of Connectivity at Flock Safety

Login to: https://theorg.com/org/flock-safety/offices/hq , if you dare.