rukshn
10 hours ago
I stopped reporting any security bugs I find in web apps because first time I did it I almost got arrested by the police.
The second time I did it they contacted my employer directly without even getting back to me saying they were unhappy of me reporting it and wanted to write about it after they fixed the issue.
Since then I decided it’s not worth all the hassle and I will let them be and I can also have a peaceful day.
Permik
7 hours ago
If you want to, you can report any vulnerabilities to the Finnish Cyber Security Centre and they'll handle all of the reporting and mediating the issue with the affected party. You can do this wholly anonymously, so you don't have to worry about some trigger-happy corpo ruining your life.
Traficom's FCSC has been a great asset for white hat security reseachers globally by allowing them to just keep contributing to the common good.
entropie
3 hours ago
> If you want to, you can report any vulnerabilities to the Finnish Cyber Security Centre and they'll handle all of the reporting and mediating the issue with the affected party.
The CCC (Chaos Computer Club) in germany will probably do the same.
Imustaskforhelp
2 hours ago
I knew I had heard of CCC from somewhere buts its https://ccc.de which includes the https://media.ccc.de
There are some really decent technical videos on it, CCC is really awesome!
Really loved this talk in particular from CCC: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8314-bootstraping_a_slightly_mor...
taneliv
4 hours ago
I should have known this exists, yet I didn't. Thanks for pointing it out.
This seems to be a direct link to a web form to report (in English): https://eservices.traficom.fi/ContactForms/form/haavoittuvuu...
In particular, note that all the fields asking for personal information disappear if you select "Yes" in "I am submitting an anonymous tip" field.
notarobot123
4 hours ago
Just to play devil's advocate, couldn't sending zero-day exploits to a foreign nation's intelligence service potentially cause the sender significantly more trouble.
wongarsu
3 hours ago
Finland is a NATO country, so for most people on this site you would be sending it to a government agency of an allied nation. Punishing that would make it look like you don't trust your allies
The other angle is that you are obviously doing it in good faith, on the assumption that they will try to work with the vendor to fix and responsibly disclose the vulnerability
paulryanrogers
3 hours ago
Because... your home country or affected company could consider it espionage? Sounds like a stretch.
johnbarron
2 hours ago
It depends on the country apparently:
"Israel reached out to US hackers for ‘Zero Days’ tools" - https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-reached-out-to-us-hacke...
reaperducer
3 hours ago
Just to play devil's advocate
Why?
0xDEFACED
2 hours ago
it's a good question
firefax
3 hours ago
Were you somehow able to intuit that parent is Finnish?
I'm intrigued by your post -- I used to tell people send things like this to CERT/CC... but it's been so long since I dabbled in that world that my contacts have departed and the current administration is so erratic that paired with Finland's recent rejection of neutrality and ascension into NATO that I would frankly agree that your CERT may be a better fit for the majority of people.
Aachen
2 hours ago
> the current administration is so erratic that paired with Finland's recent rejection of neutrality and ascension into NATO
Not sure if this is what you mean, the comment is rather confusing to me (Finland was ever neutral? Between which states, surely not EU and Russia as they sit between? Which administration relates to Finland and is unreliable? Why would you need personal contacts to report vulnerabilities to a CERT? Etc), but they weren't rejected for NATO membership: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland%E2%80%93NATO_relations opens with
> Finland has been a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) since 4 April 2023.
firefax
an hour ago
That now that they've joined NATO, it's safe to share with them.
A "neutral" country might abuse them.
rvnx
6 hours ago
You now have the worst of both worlds.
You report yourself to the police for trying to hack into a computer-system and you report yourself to the website that can now decide to sue you.
All of that without any benefits.
Aachen
5 hours ago
If it's anything like the Dutch or German infosec agencies, "worst of both worlds" is about as far from the truth as you can get. Maybe it works that way in Saudi Arabia but it's not "reporting yourself" here
chadgpt3
4 hours ago
I wouldn't trust anything like that in Germany, where everything is rules-based. Hacking is illegal, so if the police find out you hacked and can prove it, they will arrest you and you will be convicted, period. In Germany there's no common sense applied to the rules. Arguing that you hacked and then reported it responsibly won't reduce your criminal penalty for hacking.
Aachen
2 hours ago
> I wouldn't trust anything like that in Germany [...] Hacking is illegal, so if the police find out you hacked and can prove it, they will arrest you and you will be convicted, period.
This is rather hilarious to read as a reply to someone whose day job is literally hacking in Germany. We document it for tax reasons and sometimes are even allowed to publish it, too! Besides paying clients, we also "hack" (read: help secure) projects and blog about the vulnerabilities we've found and what the disclosure timeline was
Clearly this doesn't work as a blanket statement and coordinated vulnerability disclosure is a thing here. I can agree there are caveats but the statements as made aren't accurate
As for dealing with the government, so far as I'm aware, none of us have had bad experiences with the German IT security agency (BSI) whenever a vendor was being uncooperative (healthcare vendors tend to be very, let's say, German about whose responsibility it is when their device sends genital pictures over a network with no encryption or authentication option available in the software)
ahartmetz
3 hours ago
Apart from a certain general incompetence in IT related topics, common sense is a rather important part of German legal interpretation. Intention, proportionality and such.
There are some infamous counter-examples, but you can find these in any country and it's these that make the news.
sunaookami
an hour ago
Reporting software vulnerabilites in Germany is the dumbest thing you can do, you WILL be arrested. There is a recent case where some company had a hardcoded database password in their EXE file and if you open it with e.g. Notepad you can see it and this already counts as "illegal hacking". https://www.heise.de/en/news/Federal-Constitutional-Court-re...
Barbing
5 hours ago
Is this purely theoretical? Asking since we don’t wanna encourage making the world worse if there is indeed a clever way to stay safe - has anyone been hassled after reporting to the Finnish Cyber Security Centre?
Swiffy0
an hour ago
Well I'm a Finn and have reported my findings to the FCSC. Zero hassle. The folks at Traficom are a really nice and smart bunch, I have had chats with them face to face a couple of times. They are very well versed when it comes to potential issues or hassles with disclosing exploits. From what I've seen, everyone at Traficom really just wants to keep internet and information systems safe, and to provide the best support possible for IT professionals regarding cyber/information security.
You can also submit anonymously and/or via secure email: https://www.traficom.fi/en/contact-details/sending-secure-em...
This is what their privacy statement says: “Data breach information, including personal data, can be exchanged confidentially with other authorities relevant to the breach when required or permitted by law. The person who fills out the form is asked if they consent to the transfer of information to another authority."
PunchyHamster
5 hours ago
Sir, this is not USA, don't assume stuff fucked up there is fucked up everywhere
embedding-shape
4 hours ago
It's starting to be so common on the internet, clueless US residents not really grokking things aren't as bad in other places as in the US, that I'm starting to think that maybe this is some sort of psychological defense mechanism? You've heard how great and exceptional your country is since you were born, and suddenly evidence is being pointed to that maybe that wasn't so true, so your brain is trying to reason away how clearly this can't be true, you cannot been lied to your entire life...
noir_lord
3 hours ago
> You've heard how great and exceptional your country is since you were born, and suddenly evidence is being pointed to that maybe that wasn't so true, so your brain is trying to reason away how clearly this can't be true, you cannot been lied to your entire life...
You are describing cognitive dissonance, I suspect most people do have it about their country (unless they really like history in which case they are aware of the fucked up things their country has done and there is much less dissonance) but the average US citizen is very much an outlier by the standard of western countries.
Even the smart ones who do know history often only know their side of it from their point of view and many of them have very little understanding of the world beyond their borders (because they simply have no need to).
They just seem to blur the border between nationalism and patriotism more than most countries.
Nasrudith
2 hours ago
That sounds a lot like the assumption that crime rates are better in less populous areas - just because there is less reporting doesn't mean that it isn't there.
Have you been to the US? If not how can you be certain that the US is truly worse?
hennell
3 hours ago
I once tried to report an incident to a train line who had done "~a nice thing for a person~" and had photos about it on their social media. One photo was in their office and in front of a wall with a A4 page of usernames and logins for various systems on it.
I tried three different contacts I could find, only one came back to me and wanted to know what the systems did what the risk was etc. I pointed out I have no idea, and I'm absolutely not logging into mysterious systems to find out - pass it to your own IT so they can see what needs to be changed, rotated etc.
I did eventually get a message back from someone who thanked me for my diligence and said it was solved as they had now removed the photo... I really hope they had someone who understood look at it, but I decided not to engage further...
subscribed
9 hours ago
Do not bother.
I was wearing a white hat professionally for quite a while but I can't fault you - at this point trying to be honest and helpful is dangerous. If you decide to sell the vulnerabilities, so be it.
harrouet
6 hours ago
Some may criticize regulations, but the EU-mandated cyber-resilience act (CRA) actually forced companies to have a clear contact point for vulnerabilities reporting, and to act upon it.
hiAndrewQuinn
5 hours ago
2026-09-11, save the date folks. That's when all companies selling products with digital elements in the EU have to have a reporting pipeline for actively exploited vulnerabilities and severe incidents.
lionkor
8 hours ago
You could try reporting them (the exploits) anonymously to a government agency
phartenfeller
5 hours ago
The German "Chaos Computer Club" (hacker club) has a disclosure service. They approach the affected party as the club, hiding the persons identity. Not sure if they do it internationally as the page is in German. But nice idea and not a government agency.
Lukas_Skywalker
3 hours ago
They did notify Collins Aerospace in the past, so I assume they do report internationally.
ranger_danger
6 hours ago
So they can exploit it in secret for their own benefit?
lionkor
an hour ago
If you have so little trust in your government (maybe you're American?) it might be time for change!
voakbasda
33 minutes ago
No shit. Mind telling us how? Because elections sure aren’t going to do it.
edit: sorry, there is so much of this sentiment, and the system is proven to be rigged. We know that things have gotten bad. Really bad. And there’s little hope of it self-correcting. The corruption is too deep and now seems unabashed. I seriously do want advice on how to change things, but three out of the four boxes meant to preserve liberty have proven to be inadequate. I see no future that doesn’t involve violent upheaval. Convince me otherwise.
p0w3n3d
9 hours ago
That's really sad to hear, you must have felt really bad. Just because they do not know about the vulnerability, it won't disappear. And they won't fix it too. Ignorance is a bliss, but not in this case...
SlightlyLeftPad
9 hours ago
It should be obvious who the real criminals are in this case.
Izmaki
3 hours ago
I'd do my very best to find more of such vulns from the same problematic and aggressive companies, then sell them on the black market for pennies - or just outright leak them.
Why?
To show the stubborn, offended little snowflakes that it's better to reward your heroes than try to turn them into villains.
I bet this post will get downvoted a ton. I'm OK with that. I'm sure that a message supporting any national resistance movement during WWII would have been downvoted, too.
lofaszvanitt
an hour ago
sell them to a vuln or exploit broker. problem solved.
avazhi
5 hours ago
Just sell it, bro.
snvzz
9 hours ago
Yup. Do not even bother.
In the black market, 0day are actually worth something.