kryogen1c
3 days ago
Maybe im not in the target audience, but i had to look up what mogging is because its not explained anywhere
TrackerFF
3 days ago
It's incel-speak for dominating someone.
"IQ-mogged" would mean that person A was dominated/overshadowed/etc. by person B because person B is very smart.
"Height-mogged" would mean the same, but due to height.
elicash
3 days ago
That I, an old person, know what it means suggests that it has already gone from (1) the incel or whatever community usage, to (2) ironic usage by others, and then finally to (3) widespread usage entirely divorced from the original meaning.
Ancapistani
3 days ago
Not to pry, but how old is “old”?
I’m 42, and definitely don’t feel old yet - at least, my mind doesn’t feel old. My body is beginning to show me what’s it going to be like.
I don’t think my generation is nearly as out of touch with youth and niche culture as our parents were. While there are definitely examples of slang that surprise me and for which I’ve not quite nailed down the colloquial usage, it’s extremely rare that I can’t infer the meaning from context.
For that matter, I’ve adopted some of it where it makes sense. “-maxxing” is handy, and conveys more than “optimize for”; I might say I’m “tokenmaxxing” when I’m talking about intentionally using more costly inference than necessary because I’m not the one paying for it and the time necessary to optimize utilization isn’t worth it to me as a result. Basically implicitly recognizing that what I’m doing is ridiculous when viewed from the outside.
The only slang I can think of that I’ve not fully understood is “type shit”. I get that it usually used as an affirmation of someone else’s statement - but not always. I think its exact semantics are likely still in flux, because I’ve heard it used to mean all kinds of unrelated things depending on tone.
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Thinking about this, I wonder if it’s not a continuation of the same processes that lead to the disappearance of many regional accents. That’s generally accepted to be happening, and caused by the rise of mass media (radio, TV, Internet).
Maybe the Internet (social media in particular) has lumped everyone together in one giant community, and as a result slang no longer has time to solidly meaning in a niche group before reaching the general public.
LorenDB
3 days ago
I'm guessing most people think that "old" is 10-20 years ahead of them, regardless of their age. So someone in their 20s thinks 40 is old, while someone in their 40s thinks 50 is old. Or something like that.
overfeed
3 days ago
> The only slang I can think of that I’ve not fully understood is “type shit”
It is mostly equivalent to "That's what's up."
Ancapistani
3 days ago
Right - usually. But I’ve heard people use it in a questioning or disapproving way. Tone conveys a lot.
nerdsniper
3 days ago
Yeah it’s a full generalization of “$NOUN-type shit” being a declaration that something that gives an impression of being characteristic of $NOUN in some way.
The gen z ascendant version is “what does it mean to omit the $NOUN entirely?” and makes it a bit more of an existential exclamation, like “that’s some real shit” or just “real shit”.
darenr
3 days ago
thought that was a synonym for typescript :)
alphawhisky
3 days ago
Nah it kept it's meaning, just spread more. If anything, the level of abstraction grew. "Mogged' used to be a standalone phrase, but now it's always "___mogged".
Ancapistani
3 days ago
Before “mogged” was a standalone phrase, it was apparently “AMOG” - “Alpha Male of the Group”.
I don’t remember knowing that before this conversation. I asked Claude for the history of the term, then for primary sources, and manually put the below together to show a history of the term over time:
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Stage 1: “AMOG” == “Alpha male of the group”.
> she is not yet into you and a AMOG upsurps you
September 2003
https://web.archive.org/web/20231203102826/http://www.fastse...
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Stage 2: “amogged” ~= “dominated”
> He will never AMOG you agian.
August 2005
https://web.archive.org/web/20240719094244/http://www.fastse...
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Stage 3: “mogged” (transition to a word without the context of the original initialism)
> Once thought invincible the mightly 6'8" 330 pound Martyn Ford is easily mogged upon
May 2016
https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/37236240/
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Stage 4: “-mog” (noun), “-mogging” (verb)
> he heightmogs hard
December 2020
https://looksmax.org/threads/why-are-height-mogs-not-as-brut...
elicash
3 days ago
Maybe I phrased it poorly, but I just mean the context for it changed as it became mainstream. I wouldn't say it's still "incel-speak."
Blahah
3 days ago
Nah you just know a young person or have found your way into an incel information stream. It doesn't mean you represent a large population.
elicash
3 days ago
Then we're in (2) and I'm hip and ahead of the curve!
chrisweekly
3 days ago
not just "incel" culture, at least not any more
mcmcmc
3 days ago
Yep thanks to the man-o-sphere incel culture has become mainstream for young men and boys
Millennium
3 days ago
This is true, but there's an extra nuance: mogging isn't just dominance, but effortless dominance (or at least seemingly effortless). Incels use this to justify their aversion to putting effort of any sort into anything: if other people don't have to try, why should they?
imzadi
3 days ago
There's an interesting Behind the Bastards podcast about the rise of incel culture and its push into mainstream. It's called "From Elliot Rodger to Clavicular." They talk about the language of incels and how their vocabulary tends to end up in the mainstream at a surprising rate compared to other fringe cultures. "Mogging" is one of those terms that comes from incels.
alphawhisky
3 days ago
My theory is that these people are the stewards of internet culture. Moderators, meme creators, leaders of niche online communities. Therefore the jokes they make spread a lot more easily due to exposure.
imzadi
3 days ago
I think part of it is that people use it ironically to make fun of incel culture but then it gets absorbed into our language unironically. Similar to how AAVE ends up in mainstream language because non-Black people use it ironically (more to make fun of themselves), but then it ends up becoming an everyday part of the language.
ModernMech
3 days ago
Damn I read that kid's manifesto, he was very messed up. It's crazy that there's a throughline from him to today. He should have been the wakeup call.
throwaway902152
3 days ago
Classic mogging: https://www.youtube.com/@jacob_rees_mogg
rout39574
3 days ago
The know your meme page on it is extensive. My distillation is:
Mogging is behaving as though you expect everyone is going to think you're great because of how you look; in particular that you think you look better than someone right next to you.
rsynnott
3 days ago
Although I have the misfortune of knowing what it means, every time I see it some part of my brain assumes it's something to do with cats (via British slang).
nailer
3 days ago
I only heard of it due to a memecoin, and people trying to promote the memecoin using the ‘point at you, laughing cat’ emoji combo.
Cthulhu_
3 days ago
What I gathered is that "mog" is from "amog" which means "alpha male of the group", which makes "mogging" being "out-alpha'd". Which isn't new, it goes back years if not decades to the "alpha male" trends through "pick-up artists" to modern-day incel/bro/manosphere/etc subcultures.
I know the author from about ten years ago and I'm not surprised he's into it. But also he's Dutch so it's probably used very much ironically / as a joke here.
morkalork
3 days ago
So, classic dick-waving or pissing contest behaviour?