Speed up responses with fast mode

117 pointsposted 8 hours ago
by surprisetalk

123 Comments

kristianp

3 hours ago

This is gold for Anthropic's profitability. The Claude Code addicts can double their spend to plow through tokens because they need to finish something by a deadline. OpenAI will have a similar product within a week but will only charge 3x the normal rate.

This angle might also be NVidias reason for buying Groq. People will pay a premium for faster tokens.

jweir

2 hours ago

I switched back to 4.5 Sonnet or Opus yesterday since 4.6 was so slow and often “over thinking” or “over analyzing” the problem space. Tasks which accurately took under an minute in Sonnet 4.5 were still running after 5 minutes in 4.6 (yeah I had them race for a few tasks)

Someone of this could be system overload I suppose.

stefan_

an hour ago

Yeah, nothing is sped up, their initial deployment of 4.6 is so unbearably slow they are just now offering you the opportunity to pay more for the same experience of 4.5. What's the word for that?

OtherShrezzing

2 hours ago

A useful feature would be slow-mode which gets low cost compute on spot pricing.

I’ll often kick off a process at the end of my day, or over lunch. I don’t need it to run immediately. I’d be fine if it just ran on their next otherwise-idle gpu at much lower cost that the standard offering.

stavros

2 hours ago

OpenAI offers that, or at least used to. You can batch all your inference and get much lower prices.

guerrilla

2 hours ago

> I’ll often kick off a process at the end of my day, or over lunch. I don’t need it to run immediately. I’d be fine if it just ran on their next otherwise-idle gpu at much lower cost that the standard offering.

If it's not time sensitive, why not just run it at on CPU/RAM rather than GPU.

weird-eye-issue

an hour ago

Yeah just run a LLM with over 100 billion parameters on a CPU.

kristjansson

an hour ago

200 GB is an unfathomable amount of main memory for a CPU

(with apologies for snark,) give gpt-oss-120b a try. It’s not fast at all, but it can generate on CPU.

bethekidyouwant

2 hours ago

Run what exactly?

all2

an hour ago

I'm assuming GP means 'run inference locally on GPU or RAM'. You can run really big LLMs on local infra, they just do a fraction of a token per second, so it might take all night to get a paragraph or two of text. Mix in things like thinking and tool calls, and it will take a long, long time to get anything useful out of it.

Nition

7 hours ago

Note that you can't use this mode to get the most out of a subscription - they say it's always charged as extra usage:

> Fast mode usage is billed directly to extra usage, even if you have remaining usage on your plan. This means fast mode tokens do not count against your plan’s included usage and are charged at the fast mode rate from the first token.

Although if you visit the Usage screen right now, there's a deal you can claim for $50 free extra usage this month.

legojoey17

43 minutes ago

What's crazy is the pricing difference given that OpenAI recently reduced latency on some models with no price change - https://x.com/OpenAIDevs/status/2018838297221726482

dcre

9 minutes ago

Yes, but GPT-5.2 and Codex were widely considered slower than Opus before that. They still feel very slow, at least on high. I should give medium a try more often.

paxys

6 hours ago

Looking at the "Decide when to use fast mode", it seems the future they want is:

- Long running autonomous agents and background tasks use regular processing.

- "Human in the loop" scenarios use fast mode.

Which makes perfect sense, but the question is - does the billing also make sense?

CuriouslyC

17 minutes ago

The billing doesn't even make sense for Opus at the API prices, the sub is the killer.

It'll be a Cadillac offering for whales. People who care about value will just run stuff in parallel.

jawon

4 hours ago

I was thinking about inhouse model inference speeds at frontier labs like Anthropic and OpenAI after reading the "Claude built a C compiler" article.

Having higher inference speed would be an advantage, especially if you're trying to eat all the software and services.

Anthropic offering 2.5x makes me assume they have 5x or 10x themselves.

In the predicted nightmare future where everything happens via agents negotiating with agents, the side with the most compute, and the fastest compute, is going to steamroll everyone.

Aurornis

4 hours ago

> Anthropic offering 2.5x makes me assume they have 5x or 10x themselves.

They said the 2.5X offering is what they've been using internally. Now they're offering via the API: https://x.com/claudeai/status/2020207322124132504

LLM APIs are tuned to handle a lot of parallel requests. In short, the overall token throughput is higher, but the individual requests are processed more slowly.

The scaling curves aren't that extreme, though. I doubt they could tune the knobs to get individual requests coming through at 10X the normal rate.

This likely comes from having some servers tuned for higher individual request throughput, at the expense of overall token throughput. It's possible that it's on some newer generation serving hardware, too.

crowbahr

4 hours ago

Where on earth are you getting these numbers? Why would a SaaS company that is fighting for market dominance withhold 10x performance if they had it? Where are you getting 2.5x?

This is such bizarre magical thinking, borderline conspiratorial.

There is no reason to believe any of the big AI players are serving anything less than the best trade off of stability and speed that they can possibly muster, especially when their cost ratios are so bad.

jawon

4 hours ago

Not magical thinking, not conspiratorial, just hypothetical.

Just because you can't afford to 10x all your customers' inference doesn't mean you can't afford to 10x your inhouse inference.

And 2.5x is from Anthropic's latest offering. But it costs you 6x normal API pricing.

jawon

3 hours ago

Also, from a comment in another thread, from roon, who works at OpenAI:

> codex-5.2 is really amazing but using it from my personal and not work account over the weekend taught me some user empathy lol it’s a bit slow

[0] https://nitter.net/tszzl/status/2016338961040548123

stavros

4 hours ago

This makes no sense. It's not like they have a "slow it down" knob, they're probably parallelizing your request so you get a 2.5x speedup at 10x the price.

brookst

2 hours ago

All of these systems use massive pools of GPUs, and allocate many requests to each node. The “slow it down” knob is to steer a request to nodes with more concurrent requests; “speed it up” is to route to less-loaded nodes.

stavros

2 hours ago

Right, but that's still not Anthropic adding an intentional delay for the sole purpose of having you pay more to remove it.

brookst

21 minutes ago

Oh, of course. That’s just conspiratorial thinking. Paying to be in a premium pool makes sense, all of this “they probably serve rotten food to make people pay for quality food” nonsense is just silly.

falloutx

4 hours ago

Thats also called slowing down default experience so users have to pay more for the fast mode. I think its the first time we are seeing blatant speed ransoms in the LLMs.

Aurornis

4 hours ago

That's not how this works. LLM serving at scale processes multiple requests in parallel for efficiency. Reduce the parallelism and you can process individual requests faster, but the overall number of tokens processed is lower.

falloutx

4 hours ago

They can now easily decrease the speed for the normal mode, and then users will have to pay more for fast mode.

Aurornis

3 hours ago

Do you have any evidence that this is happening? Or is it just a hypothetical threat you're proposing?

These companies aren't operating in a vacuum. Most of their users could change providers quickly if they started degrading their service.

falloutx

3 hours ago

They have contracts with companies, and those companies wont be able to change quickly. By the time those contracts will come back for renewals it will already be too late, their code becoming completely unreadable by humans. Individual devs can move quickly but companies don't.

kolinko

3 hours ago

Are you at all familiar with the architecture of systems like theirs?

The reason people don't jump to your conclusion here (and why you get downvoted) is that for anyone familiar with how this is orchestrated on the backend it's obvious that they don't need to do artificial slowdowns.

falloutx

3 hours ago

I am familiar with the business model. This is clear indication of what their future plan is.

Also, I just pointed out at the business issue, just raising a point which was not raised here. Just want people to be more cautious

throw310822

4 hours ago

Slowing down respect to what?

falloutx

4 hours ago

Slowing down with respect to original speed of response. Basically what we used to get few months back and what is the best possible experience.

throw310822

4 hours ago

There is no "original speed of response". The more resources you pour in, the faster it goes.

falloutx

4 hours ago

Watch them decrease resources for the normal mode so people are penny pinched into using fast mode.

throw310822

3 hours ago

Seriously, thinking at the price structure of this (6x the price for 2.5x the speed, if that's correct) it seems to target something like real time applications with very small context. Maybe vocal assistants? I guess that if you're doing development it makes more sense to parallelize over more agents rather than paying that much for a modest increase in speed.

AstroBen

an hour ago

This seems like an incredibly bad deal, but maybe they're probing to see if people will pay more

You know if people pay for this en masse it'll be the new default pricing, with fast being another step above

rustyhancock

5 hours ago

At this point why don't we just CNAME HN to the Claude marketing blog?

Kwpolska

2 hours ago

Because we would miss simonw’s self-promotion blog posts.

iLoveOncall

an hour ago

It gives the same space, if not a lot more, to OpenAI.

It should definitely be renamed to AINews instead of HackerNews, but Claude posts are a lot less frequent than OpenAI's.

IMTDb

7 hours ago

I’m curious what’s behind the speed improvements. It seems unlikely it’s just prioritization, so what else is changing? Is it new hardware (à la Groq or Cerebras)? That seems plausible, especially since it isn’t available on some cloud providers.

Also wondering whether we’ll soon see separate “speed” vs “cleverness” pricing on other LLM providers too.

kingstnap

5 hours ago

It comes from batching and multiple streams on a GPU. More people sharing 1 GPU makes everyone run slower but increases overall token throughput.

Mathematically it comes from the fact that this transformer block is this parallel algorithm. If you batch harder, increase parallelism, you can get higher tokens/s. But you get less throughput. Simultaneously there is also this dial that you can speculatively decode harder with fewer users.

Its true for basically all hardware and most models. You can draw this Pareto curve of how much throughput per GPU vs how many tokens per second per stream. More tokens/s less total throughput.

See this graph for actual numbers:

Token Throughput per GPU vs. Interactivity gpt-oss 120B • FP4 • 1K / 8K • Source: SemiAnalysis InferenceMAX™

https://inferencemax.semianalysis.com/

vlovich123

2 hours ago

> If you batch harder, increase parallelism, you can get higher tokens/s. But you get less throughput. Simultaneously there is also this dial that you can speculatively decode harder with fewer users.

I think you skipped the word “total throughout” there right? Cause tok/s is a measure of throughput, so it’s clearer to say you increase throughput/user at the expense of throughput/gpu.

I’m not sure about the comment about speculative decode though. I haven’t served a frontier model but generally speculative decode I believe doesn’t help beyond a few tokens, so I’m not sure you can “speculatively decode harder” with fewer users.

sothatsit

6 hours ago

There are a lot of knobs they could tweak. Newer hardware and traffic prioritisation would both make a lot of sense. But they could also lower batching windows to decrease queueing time at the cost of lower throughput, or keep the KV cache in GPU memory at the expense of reducing the number of users they can serve from each GPU node.

martinald

an hour ago

I think it's just routing to faster hardware:

H100 SXM: 3.35 TB/s HBM3

GB200: 8 TB/s HBM3e

2.4x faster memory - which is exactly what they are saying the speedup is. I suspect they are just routing to GB200 (or TPU etc equivalents).

FWIW I did notice _sometimes_ recently Opus was very fast. I put it down to a bug in Claude Code's token counting, but perhaps it was actually just occasionally getting routed to GB200s.

jstummbillig

6 hours ago

> It seems unlikely it’s just prioritization

Why does this seem unlikely? I have no doubt they are optimizing all the time, including inference speed, but why could this particular lever not entirely be driven by skipping the queue? It's an easy way to generate more money.

AnotherGoodName

3 hours ago

Yes it's 100% prioritization. Through that it's also likely running on more GPUs at once but that's an artifact of prioritization at the datacenter level. Any task coming into an AI datacenter atm is split into fairly fined grained chunks of work and added to queues to be processed.

When you add a job with high priority all those chunks will be processed off the queue first by each and every GPU that frees up. It probably leads to more parallelism but... it's the prioritization that led to this happening. It's better to think of this as prioritization of your job leading to the perf improvement.

Here's a good blog for anyone interested which talks about prioritization and job scheduling. It's not quite at the datacenter level but the concepts are the same. Basically everything is thought of as a pipeline. All training jobs are low pri (they take months to complete in any case), customer requests are mid pri and then there's options for high pri. Everything in an AI datacenter is thought of in terms of 'flow'. Are there any bottlenecks? Are the pipelines always full and the expensive hardware always 100% utilized? Are the queues backlogs big enough to ensure full utilization at every stage?

https://www.aleksagordic.com/blog/vllm

kgeist

2 hours ago

>Yes it's 100% prioritization

Amazon Bedrock has a similar feature called "priority tier": you get faster responses at 1.75x the price. And they explicitly say in the docs "priority requests receive preferential treatment in the processing queue, moving ahead of standard requests for faster responses".

singpolyma3

6 hours ago

Until everyone buys it. Like fast pass at an amusement park where the fast line is still two hours long

sothatsit

6 hours ago

At 6x the cost, and it requiring you to pay full API pricing, I don’t think this is going to be a concern.

servercobra

6 hours ago

It's a good way to squeeze extra out of a bunch of people without actually raising prices.

Nition

6 hours ago

I wonder if they might have mostly implemented this for themselves to use internally, and it is just prioritization but they don't expect too many others to pay the high cost.

re-thc

4 hours ago

Nvidia GB300 i.e. Blackwell.

pshirshov

6 hours ago

> so what else is changing?

Let me guess. Quantization?

throwaway132448

3 hours ago

Given how little most of us can know about the true cost of inference for these providers (and thus the financial sustainability of their services), this is an interesting signal. Not sure how to interpret it, but it doesn’t feel like it bodes well.

not_math

3 hours ago

Given that providers of open source models can offer Kimi K2.5 at input $0.60 and output $2.50 per million tokens, I think the cost of inference must be around that. We would still need to compare the tokens per second.

digiown

2 hours ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the implementation is

- Turn down the thinking token budget to one half

- Multiply the thinking tokens by 2 on the usage stats returned

- Phew! Twice the speed

IMO charging for the thinking tokens that you can't see is scam.

jhack

6 hours ago

The pricing on this is absolutely nuts.

nick49488171

6 hours ago

For us mere mortals, how fast does a normal developer for through a MTok. How about a good power user?

snowfield

5 hours ago

A developer can blast millions of tokens in minutes. When you have a context size of 250k that’s just 4 queries. But with tool usage and subsequent calls etc it can easily just do many millions in one request

But if you just ask a question or something it’ll take a while to spend a million tokens…

nick49488171

4 hours ago

Seems like an opportunity to condense the context into 'documentation' level and only load the full text/code for files that expect to be edited?

snowfield

3 hours ago

Yeah that’s what they try to do with the latest coding agents sub agents which only have the context they need etc. but atm it’s too much work to manage contexts at that level

SatvikBeri

an hour ago

I use one Claude instance at a time, roughly fulltime (writes 90% of my code). Generally making small changes, nothing weird. According to ccusage, I spend about $20 of tokens a day, a bit less than 1 MTOK output tokens a way. So the exact same workflow would be about $120 for higher speed.

clbrmbr

6 hours ago

I’d love to hear from engineers who find that faster speed is a big unlock for them.

The deadline piece is really interesting. I suppose there’s a lot of people now who are basically limited by how fast their agents can run and on very aggressive timelines with funders breathing down their necks?

CuriouslyC

14 minutes ago

The only time I find faster speed to be a big unlock is when iterating on UI stuff. If you're talking to your agent, with hot reload and such the model can often be the bottleneck in a style tuning workflow by a lot.

Aurornis

4 hours ago

> I’d love to hear from engineers who find that faster speed is a big unlock for them.

How would it not be a big unlock? If the answers were instant I could stay focused and iterate even faster instead of having a back-and-forth.

Right now even medium requests can take 1-2 minutes and significant work can take even longer. I can usually make some progress on a code review, read more docs, or do a tiny chunk of productive work but the constant context switching back and forth every 60s is draining.

electroly

3 hours ago

I won't be paying extra to use this, but Claude Code's feature-dev plugin is so slow that even when running two concurrent Claudes on two different tasks, I'm twiddling my thumbs some of the time. I'm not fast and I don't have tight deadlines, but nonetheless feature-dev is really slow. It would be better if it were fast enough that I wouldn't have time to switch off to a second task and could stick with the one until completion. The mental cost of juggling two tasks is high; humans aren't designed for multitasking.

fragmede

an hour ago

Two? I'd estimate twelve (three projects x four tasks) going at peak.

sothatsit

6 hours ago

If it could help avoid you needing to context switch between multiple agents, that could be a big mental load win.

throw310822

4 hours ago

The idea of development teams bottlenecked by agent speed rather than people, ideas, strategy, etc. gives me some strange vibes.

bananapub

2 hours ago

it's simpler than that - making it faster means it becomes less of an asynchronous task.

current speeds are "ask it to do a thing and then you the human need find something else to do for minutes (or more!) while it works". at a certain point at it being faster you just sit there and tell it to do a thing and it does and you just constantly work on the one thing.

cerebras is just about fast enough for that already, with the downside of being more expensive and worse at coding than claude code.

it feels like absolute magic to use though.

so, depends how you price your own context switches, really.

simonw

7 hours ago

The one question I have that isn't answered by the page is how much faster?

Obviously they can't make promises but I'd still like a rough indication of how much this might improve the speed of responses.

scosman

7 hours ago

Yeah is this cerebras/groq speed, or I just skip the queue?

l5870uoo9y

6 hours ago

It doesn’t say how much faster it is but from my experience with OpenAI’s “service_tier=priority” option on SQLAI.ai is that it’s twice as fast.

dmix

4 hours ago

I really like Anthropic's web design. This doc site looks like it's using gitbook (or a clone of gitbook) but they make it look so nice.

falloutx

4 hours ago

Its just https://www.mintlify.com/ with barely customized theme

deepdarkforest

2 hours ago

Mintlify is the best example of a product that is just nice. They don't claim to have a moat, or weird agi vibes, or whatever. It just works and it's pretty. 10m arr right there

treycluff

4 hours ago

Looks like mintlify to me. Especially the copy page button.

pronik

7 hours ago

While it's an excellent way to make more money in the moment, I think this might become a standard no-extra-cost feature in several months (see Opus becoming way cheaper and a default model within months). Mental load management while using agents will become even more important it seems.

falloutx

4 hours ago

Why would they cut a money making feature? In fact I am already imagining them asking for speed ransom every time you are in a pinch, some extra context space will also become buyable. Anthropic is in a penny pincher phase right now and they will try to milk everything. Watch them add micro transactions too.

giancarlostoro

6 hours ago

Yeah especially once they make an even faster fast mode.

1123581321

7 hours ago

Could be a use for the $50 extra usage credit. It requires extra usage to be enabled.

> Fast mode usage is billed directly to extra usage, even if you have remaining usage on your plan. This means fast mode tokens do not count against your plan’s included usage and are charged at the fast mode rate from the first token.

minimaxir

7 hours ago

After exceeding the increasingly shrinking session limit with Opus 4.6, I continued with the extra usage only for a few minutes and it consumed about $10 of the credit.

I can't imagine how quickly this Fast Mode goes through credit.

niobe

5 hours ago

So fast mode uses more tokens, in direct opposition to Gemini where fast 'mode' means less. One more piece of useless knowledge to remember.

Sol-

4 hours ago

I don't think this is the case, according to the docs, right? The effort level will use fewer tokens, but the independent fast mode just somehow seems to use some higher priority infrastructure to serve your requests.

Aurornis

4 hours ago

You're comparing two different things. It's not useless knowledge, it's something you need to understand.

Opus fast mode is routed to different servers with different tuning that prioritizes individual response throughput. Same model served differently. Same response, just delivered faster.

The Gemini fast mode is a different model (most likely) with different levels of thinking applied. Very different response.

solidasparagus

6 hours ago

I pay $200 a month and don't get any included access to this? Ridiculous

pedropaulovc

6 hours ago

Well, you can burn your $50 bonus on it

bakugo

6 hours ago

The API price is 6x that of normal Opus, so look forward to a new $1200/mo subscription that gives you the same amount of usage if you need the extra speed.

MuffinFlavored

6 hours ago

I always wondered this, is this true/does the math come out to be really that bad? 6x?

Is the writing on the wall for $100-$200/mo users that, it's basically known-subsidized for now and $400/mo+ is coming sooner than we think?

Are they getting us all hooked and then going to raise it in the future, or will inference prices go down to offset?

bakugo

23 minutes ago

The writing has been on the wall since day 1. They wouldn't be marketing a subscription being sold at a loss as hard as they are if the intention wasn't to lock you in and then increase the price later.

What I expect to happen is that they'll slowly decrease the usage limits on the existing subscriptions over time, and introduce new, more expensive subscription tiers with more usage. There's a reason why AI subscriptions generally don't tell you exactly what the limits are, they're intended to be "flexible" to allow for this.

kingforaday

6 hours ago

..But it says "Available to all Claude Code users on subscription plans (Pro/Max/Team/Enterprise) and Claude Console."

Is this wrong?

behindsight

6 hours ago

It's explicitly called out as excluded in the blue info bubble they have there.

> Fast mode usage is billed directly to extra usage, even if you have remaining usage on your plan. This means fast mode tokens do not count against your plan’s included usage and are charged at the fast mode rate from the first token.

https://code.claude.com/docs/en/fast-mode#requirements

sothatsit

6 hours ago

I think this is just worded in a misleading way. It’s available to all users, but it’s not included as part of the plan.

maz1b

6 hours ago

AFAIK, they don't have any deals or partnerships with Groq or Cerebras or any of those kinds of companies.. so how did they do this?

tcdent

6 hours ago

Inference is run on shared hardware already, so they're not giving you the full bandwidth of the system by default. This most likely just allocates more resources to your request.

hendersoon

6 hours ago

Could well be running on Google TPUs.

pedropaulovc

7 hours ago

Where is this perf gain coming from? Running on TPUs?

AnotherGoodName

4 hours ago

AI data centers are a whole lot of pipelines pumping data around utilizing queues. They want those expensive power hungry cards near 100% utilized at all times. So they have a queue of jobs on each system ready to run, feeding into the GPU memory as fast as completed jobs are read out of memory (and passed into the next stage) and they aim to have enough backlog in these queues to keep the pipeline full. You see responses in seconds but at the data center you're request was broken into jobs, passed around into queues, processed in an orderly manner and pieced back together.

With fast mode you're literally skipping the queue. An outcome of all of this is that for the rest of us the responses will become slower the more people use this 'fast' option.

I do suspect they'll also soon have a slow option for those that have Claude doing things overnight with no real care for latency of the responses. The ultimate goal is pipelines of data hitting 100% hardware utilization at all times.

martinald

an hour ago

Hmm not sure I agree with you there entirely. You're right there's queues to ensure that you max out the hardware with concurrent batches to _start_ inference, but I doubt you'd want to split up the same job into multiple bits and move them around servers if you could at all avoid it.

It requires a lot of bandwidth to do that and even at 400gbit/sec it would take a good second to move even a smaller KV cache between racks even in the same DC.

krm01

7 hours ago

Will this mean that when cost is more important than latency that replies will now take longer?

I’m not in favor of the ad model chatgpt proposes. But business models like these suffer from similar traps.

If it works for them, then the logical next step is to convert more to use fast mode. Which naturally means to slow things down for those that didn’t pick/pay for fast mode.

We’ve seen it with iPhones being slowed down to make the newer model seem faster.

Not saying it’ll happen. I love Claude. But these business models almost always invite dark patterns in order to move the bottom line.

esafak

6 hours ago

It's a good way to address the price insensitive segment. As long as they don't slow down the rest, good move.

digiown

2 hours ago

This sounds like one of these theme park "skip the queue" tickets. It will absolutely slow down the rest.

simianwords

6 hours ago

Whatever optimisation is going on is at the hardware level since the fast option persists in a session.

laidoffamazon

an hour ago

Personally, I’d prefer a slow mode that’s a ton cheaper for a lot of things.

hmokiguess

6 hours ago

Give me a slow mode that’s cheaper instead lol

thehamkercat

7 hours ago

Interesting, output price is insane/Mtok

thisisauserid

4 hours ago

Instead of better/cheaper/faster you just the the last one?

Back to Gemini.

jonplackett

4 hours ago

Is this is the beginning of the ‘Speedy boarding’ / ‘Fastest delivery’ enshitification?

Where everyone is forced to pay for a speed up because the ‘normal’ service just gets slower and slower.

I hope not. But I fear.

falloutx

4 hours ago

This is to test the room before real enshitification happens. Companies who bought from Anthropic are really in for a ride.

speedping

7 hours ago

> $30/150 MTok Umm no thank you

henning

4 hours ago

LLM programming is very easy. First you have to prompt it to not mistakes. Then you have to tell it to go fast. Software engineering is over bro, all humans will be replaced in 6 days bro

aabhay

5 hours ago

What is “$30/150MTok”? Claude Opus 4.6 is normally priced at “$25/MTok”. Am I just reading it wrong or is this a typo?

EDIT: I understand now. $30 for input, $150 for output. Very confusing wording. That’s insanely expensive!

stavros

5 hours ago

Yeah I don't understand. Is it actually saying that fast mode is ten times more expensive than normal mode? I cannot be reading this right.