National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

74 pointsposted 12 hours ago
by connor11528

40 Comments

Vanit

8 hours ago

The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.

defrost

8 hours ago

> In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.

Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians.

eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu...

Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc.

They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.

polotics

2 hours ago

Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right?

NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.

Eddy_Viscosity2

2 hours ago

The 2A was only meant to apply to Republicans, obviously.

nvahalik

12 hours ago

This genuinely feels like a situation in which I, as an observer from the "opposite side" of the country have genuinely no idea idea what is going on or who to trust here.

Instagram is filled with people who are absolutely 100% sure of some particular "understanding" of this situation. Then a few hours go by and reels "debunking" those views are flooding my feed.

Even the Associated Press seems to report things that official statements from the government agencies themselves say isn't true. The AP should be a trusted source of information as should the federal government.

This feels like a lose-lose situation for those of us who want to know what's actually going on apart from sensationalized reporting.

binarymax

12 hours ago

It’s fair to say that the federal government is no longer a trusted source of information on this matter.

parrellel

12 hours ago

Well, the whole execution was recorded from at least 3 available angles. You could just check.

orionsbelt

11 hours ago

Well, from what I’ve seen, the most likely theory is that the agent who disarmed the man (after another agent had yelled “gun”) then accidentally discharged the weapon, which caused all the other ICE officers to freak out and discharge their weapons.

I don’t want to argue over the broader questions; ie should ICE even be there and doing this; are they adequately trained; are they overly aggressive to tackle this guy and pepper spray him in the first instance; is American law enforcement is way too trigger happy and protective of their own skin; and so on. There’s a lot of validity to all of that. But the narrow story of this particular incident changes a lot if there was an accidental discharge that made the other offices believe he was shooting.

UncleMeat

a few seconds ago

> But the narrow story of this particular incident changes a lot if there was an accidental discharge that made the other offices believe he was shooting.

Does it? What you are describing is still a monstrous crime. The federal government is insisting that absolutely nothing went wrong and that Pretti was intending to massacre ICE agents. Even taking an enormously charitable reading of the killing I am still horrified by the actions of the government here.

text0404

10 hours ago

You can quite clearly see the second shooter in the video standing over him, shooting him multiple times as he's laying motionless on the ground after being beaten and shot once.

> the most likely theory

According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false).

orionsbelt

10 hours ago

> You can quite clearly see the second shooter in the video standing over him, shooting him multiple times as he's laying motionless on the ground after being beaten and shot once.

Yes, that's how cops/ICE react when they hear gunshots. They shoot and ask questions later. I'm not necessarily defending that (I think it would be a great thing if cops/ICE received more extensive training, cared more about de-escalation techniques, and perhaps even were more willing to risk their own lives than just always shoot recklessly), but putting all that aside, if someone yells "gun", and then a shot is fired, the second shooter then assuming it's the guy they are tackling that shot, and shooting him multiple times in response, is a typical cop reaction. So the main question is - who fired the first shot and why? The moral weight of the event, at least in my view, is very different if it was ICE deliberately shooting, or an accidental discharge that triggered everything.

> According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false).

Most likely according to me, based on the videos I have seen (https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407). I could be wrong. I was responding to someone who said there's clear video that it was a deliberate execution. The water of any breaking news reporting is already muddy; it's all speculation on all sides.

text0404

9 hours ago

You're the only person speculating about their motives. Everyone else is watching the same incident, shot from multiple cameras/angles, which make it clear that an extreme escalation of violence from untrained ICE agents towards a man who was attempting to help a woman (who was also attacked in a show of excessive force) ended in his unnecessary death. The motives are irrelevant - these people are untrained, trigger-happy, and just killed another person.

ghuroo1

10 hours ago

stop excusing murder.

the man was holding a phone before being violated, and when on the floor, with both hands on the floor, was shot almost 10 times.

watch the videos.

orionsbelt

10 hours ago

You too. Tell me if you disagree that this seems to show the officer who removed the gun may have plausibly accidentally discharged the first shot: https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407

The footage is too grainy to say anything for certain in my view.

youngtaff

4 hours ago

So what?

They beat the shit out of him first — what rationale is there for doing that?

throw0101c

2 hours ago

> Well, from what I’ve seen, the most likely theory is that the agent who disarmed the man (after another agent had yelled “gun”) then accidentally discharged the weapon, which caused all the other ICE officers to freak out and discharge their weapons.

Then an investigation should clear up the situation and exonerate the ICE folks. But ICE/FBI are (a) not investigating any of the shootings, and (b) are blocking the local police from investigating.

In the Renee Good case, the FBI is actually 'investigating' the victim of the shooting.

mcphage

12 hours ago

> have genuinely no idea idea what is going on or who to trust here.

Well, which one photoshops people they don’t like and releases them, claiming they are real? AP or the White House?

rjrjrjrj

7 hours ago

The downside of electing a pathological liar as President.

binarymax

12 hours ago

I’m not sure how many people realize this, but ICE is the buildup for trump to hold power by deploying soldiers ahead of time. I expect we will see them deployed at the election sites of democratic cities in November.

pan69

8 hours ago

My two cents. Trump likes the idea that in the Ukraine they can't hold elections when they are at war as per their constitution. Even though the US doesn't have such a thing, it's not going to deter Trump from creating a "situation" where he can declare a marshall law event of some sort to "postpone" elections, indefinitely. If Americans think that there are going to be midterms, or even a next presidential election, better get ready!

mcphage

12 hours ago

They’re failing to control a single mid-sized city, I’m not sure how they would maintain control over half the country. They don’t have the numbers, and are widely hated.

binarymax

12 hours ago

If you want to hold on to the house and senate you don’t need to maintain control - you just need to disrupt the elections of 10 to 20 key cities, and they have the numbers for that.

mcphage

12 hours ago

> they have the numbers for that

Maybe, but right now they’re trying for 1 and can’t do it. Not sure where they are hiding 10x or 20x the troops.

binarymax

12 hours ago

The intention is disruption, they don’t care about control. They are disrupting lives in several cities.

mcphage

12 hours ago

They are disrupting lives, but elections? Imagine if the election was held today in Minneapolis, how do you think the vote would go? Would people be afraid to vote, or would it be the largest turnout the city has ever seen?

Trasmatta

11 hours ago

The massive public outcry against ICE would likely cause that to backfire. Look at the extent of protesting in Minneapolis. People aren't afraid of ICE, putting them at polling stations would intensify the outrage against them, and fire up the opposition. They're

user

11 hours ago

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DustinEchoes

12 hours ago

More tinder for the fire, waiting for a spark.

NedF

12 hours ago

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OsrsNeedsf2P

12 hours ago

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orwin

6 hours ago

Exactly what was said to the Venezuelian and Irani protesters.

On the other side, the last time in the US police were killing this indiscriminately, some people in Oakland started open carrying automatic rifles in groups and followed patrol cars to prevent those 'mistakes' to happen again.

happytoexplain

11 hours ago

Don't excuse murder.

Everybody already knows what to do in a civil unrest scenario if you don't want to risk your life (stay at home, don't let in anybody without a warrant). There are other people with different, more noble priorities.

JoeAltmaier

12 hours ago

The penalty for legal concealed carry is not death. Victim blaming may be practical, but it's a measure of the depths the government agents have come to, that we are in fear of our lives from them and stepping out of line might be a death sentence.

tylerritchie

12 hours ago

To be clear, this position is: "capitulate to the police state, or die" with no discussion about whether that should be the case.

It's a bad take.