It's possible that they tried it and pulled the plug due to an unforeseen issue. In other words, it doesn't exist, but it did for a few hours, and will return. There's no way Elon would admit this publicly.

Thank you - that’s what I was wondering. I noticed that Elon and others who were talking about how Robotaxis have improved, were saying something like ‘there is no safety driver’. They didn’t just say flat out that it is autonomous. I wonder if all that’s happened, is that they have a remote operator. I simply can’t believe the claims that FSD is anywhere near what Waymo can do.

We should update that term to "driverless car salesman"...

Back in the day, snake oil salesmen weren't seen as frauds (the actual health benefits of snake oil, or lack thereof, is another discussion). It wasn't until after 1916, when Stanley's Snake Oil was discovered to not actually contain any snake oil, that the term came to be associated with fraudulent selling.

A rate of 0 is not actually a rollout

You mean pump and dump fraud

> 100s of positive interactions followed

Sounds like Optimus is already very active on X

I'd go easy on LinkedIn. It sounds like it is getting to you.

> Humans seem to need some fiction to believe to get them through their day.

I think it's more that they want their stock values to stay high (or are simply bots with the same goal).

> Humans seem to need some fiction to believe to get them through their day.

Used to be religion. Now it’s billionaire saviors.

It's better to think of tesla as an MIC company than a typical auto manufacturer (indeed the auto industry has always held a tight, symbiotic, and often mandatory link with the military).

Tesla's domestic EV manufacturing, Starlink's satellite network, and ofc SpaceX are all critical pieces of American foreign policy. It should be obvious why Tesla is one of the most heavily subsidized companies of all time[0]

[0] https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc

Purchasing TSLA is placing a bet that Elon Musk can generate enough hype such that somebody else will purchase TSLA from you at a higher price later.

People are VERY gullible.

> explain this to me

Humans are the same emotional, irrational apes as we were 100,000 years ago, and the most emotional and irrational thing any of us do, bar none, is delude ourselves by pretending that we aren't.

The market is now a casino is how

Funny all I see here are every single critical Elon post from Fred at Electrek.co gaining hundreds of points

Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618901 [970 points]

Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99% https://electrek.co/2025/12/29/tesla-4680-battery-supply-cha... [672 points]

Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles https://electrek.co/2025/09/21/tesla-influencers-tried-elon-... [299 points]

Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash https://electrek.co/2025/12/15/tesla-reports-another-robotax... 155 points

When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45869916 151 points

Yep. I keep posting them though, because the idiocy of it all gets crazier and crazier every week.

I even start to wonder if tech people believe Tesla propaganda machine by now.