verelo
18 days ago
Great time to see this here. This morning I, in Canada, reached out to a friend in Ukraine and asked "I might be over-reacting, but what do you wish you knew before the war started?"
His response was "You're not over reacting, you might be under-reacting, worst case you end up with some cool new toys. Best case, you're more prepared than anyone else."
So yeah, here we are. Good article to add to my research.
wackget
18 days ago
Well, don't leave us hanging. What did they say?
verelo
18 days ago
LOL sorry, here's the list:
Generator 5kw - you want something with a higher duty cycle than you need so it can run for extended periods
Diesel storage for back of a truck - 330 Gallon (nice to have, after a week or two supply lines got fixed)
Diesel - for said tank
Medical supplies - IFAK kit (NAR is a good vendor). Bleeding control & dexamethasone.
Solar power - 1-5kwh. We still get 10-15 hrs a day on the grid, but this would be ideal.
Batteries - minimum 5+kwh storage
Network cable - 300m+ to start. I'm shocked how many times I need a cable and cant get any.
Hand pumps or small electric pump for different fuels and water
Ice auger - gas, but electric ideally, large / long drill bit 2" works too if you have a drill and smaller pipes?
Take a first aid course - MARCH protocol
Iodine pills not important - way bigger issues if you're resorting to that.
Get a rifle - not good for military but useful against looters and other unarmed crazy people
Get familiar with remote detonation with drones, these are what we use to set off the molotovs: <https://www.amazon.co.uk/100-30cm-Electric-Fireworks-Igniter...>
Edit: formatting
throw0101c
17 days ago
> Generator 5kw - you want something with a higher duty cycle than you need so it can run for extended periods
Note that fossil fuel can age out, even with stabilizer.
There are dual- and tri-fuel generators out there that can use natural/methane gas and/or propane. Consider propane as you can get pretty big bottles and it does not expire so can sit around for long periods of time.
red-iron-pine
17 days ago
yeah used to manage data centers, diesel breaks down after a while, petrol even faster.
you can put in additives to extend the life, and specialized storage can squeak even more out, but ultimately you can't plan on it being good past 12 months, maybe as low as 5-6 if conditions aren't great.
we ran / tested the generators weekly, both just to exercise them and confirm they're good, but also just to burn off old fuel.
verelo
17 days ago
Yeah gas / propane might make the most sense. I already have a big 3026L propane tank.
dlcarrier
18 days ago
If you have a solar panels, a battery, and generator, it would be good idea to figure out how to hook them all together. Using the generator near its full output, to charge the battery, will use far less fuel than idling it all day.
Even if things are bad enough for iodine pills, they are only really needed for children. Once you hit your mid teens, your thyroid is fully developed and not pulling in enough iodine to worry about radioactive isotopes.
mynameisash
18 days ago
I assume the iodine is about water treatment and not radiation?
throw0101c
17 days ago
> I assume the iodine is about water treatment and not radiation?
If you live with-in 50 km of a nuclear power plant (e.g., southern Ontario), you are entitled to free iodine pills:
* https://www.preparetobesafe.ca
* https://www.cnsc-ccsn.gc.ca/eng/resources/educational-resour...
* https://www.torontocentralhealthline.ca/displayservice.aspx?...
* https://www.durham.ca/en/news/ki-tablets-available-for-all-a...
dlcarrier
18 days ago
I presume that radiation is why the Ukrainian brought it up.
The article did mention using it for treating water, but it's not very good at that, and it tastes awful. Reverse osmosis works much, much better and it doesn't need to be a large permanently installed system; portable gravity-fed versions readily available.
verelo
17 days ago
It was a remark about nukes. Fortunately the place id go to is on a fresh water lake and we already have Water filtration setup.
red-iron-pine
17 days ago
presumably both
bigfatkitten
18 days ago
> Get a rifle - not good for military but useful against looters and other unarmed crazy people
If you’re going to do that, become proficient with said rifle.
abc123abc123
17 days ago
Or get a shotgun. For self defense, it is just point and click. Anyone can use them after a few minutes instruction.
tosapple
18 days ago
I was thinking the other day that ALL drones SHOULD be considered LIVE explosives. It's probably never a good idea to handle one if you're not trained.
verelo
18 days ago
Last march i was at SxSw and the police drones over head were a first for me. I was in this large crowd of people, and thought "yeah i dont like this". How do i know they're not just some bad actors drone with red and blue lights?
I think my exposure to casual discussions of how to arm drones with my Ukrainian friend, and the videos we've all seen on Reddit about drones in Ukraine, have really made their presence feel unwelcome.
tosapple
18 days ago
I think in the US legally they have to have a beacon while flying now, but my thought the other day was about them being parked/down.
dghlsakjg
18 days ago
It depends on a number of factors about legality, but the hardware to make a drone that doesn't have software forcing it to follow the law is cheap and plentiful. Its not particularly hard to get either, even with the drone ban.
For ~$200 you can build a very good FPV drone that can carry a dangerous payload and travel at highway speeds. Another ~$200 buys you the video receiver and a controller.
Drone warfare is terrifying.
spaqin
18 days ago
Warfare yes, but that's all warfare that's terrifying. Similarly you can make a point that for $10 you can buy a knife that can be used in all different morbid crimes.
FPV drones as a fun hobby in the rest of the world has had, in the last 10 years since it became somewhat popular, a total of zero fatalities or serious injuries. Don't let the irrational fear guide you towards further unnecessary regulation that makes others' lives worse.
dghlsakjg
17 days ago
A toddler lost an eye, several hospitalizations of unrelated bystanders, multiple aircraft damaged in midair collisions, and an attempted assassination of a world leader are some of the highlights. Not exactly a squeaky clean record with no “serious injuries”, even if you ignore the intentional assassination attempt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmanned_aerial_vehicl...
I think FPV and drones are awesome, and have built several myself. It is pretty hard to argue that they are not also very dangerous in the wrong hands. Are there more dangerous things in the world? Sure, but that doesn’t mean people should ignore an easy attack vector. Given the temperature of things currently, I would be incredibly nervous to hear a drone at a protest or political event.
kakacik
18 days ago
Regulations are coming whether regular Joe wants them or not. Drones had moved from toy hobby to dealing with weapons and explosives level of scrutiny and this is not reverting anytime soon.
I saw writing on the wall and donated in 2022 my dji drone to Ukrainian army, hopefully it was used well for defense of their homeland. I don't want to have a hobby that I need to do covertly and illegally, and last thing I want to do during vacations is dealing with bureaucracy.
romperstomper
17 days ago
I'd add some reasonable water supplies, at least bottled, and some pills to disinfect water from rivers, springs etc could be handy as well.
cryptoegorophy
18 days ago
is the last point correct? "Get familiar with remote detonation with drones, these are what we use to set off the molotovs:" seems off for this list, like way off and more on military/offence side of type of thing?
and why would you need a 300m+ ethernet cable in a disaster?
snypher
18 days ago
Depending on the scale of the disaster you may not want your Starlink on your bedroom roof.
verelo
18 days ago
Totally valid use case for sure, and we discussed this because I do have a Starlink dish, but honestly, in a conflict with the US...I don't think a) I'd want to use starlink and b) i'd expect it to work.
M95D
17 days ago
Ethernet cable is a high quality cable usable for various other purposes. That includes low voltage power line, such as 12V from the car to phone charger in the house, solar panel wiring, basic tripwire alarms, command relays in the yard from the house, basic audio intercom with your neighbors when phone lines are down, etc.
Plus the obvious ethernet repairs: lines broken by fallen trees/branches in a storm, video camera cables cut by thieves, install new survillance cameras, move existing ones.
Self-supporting ethernet cable is also a decent clothesline when your dryer is not working.
verelo
18 days ago
In his case i didn't actually bother asking about the cat6 because i already had a huge reel in my garage, but I can think of cases such a remotely mounting satellite dish' and maybe connecting buildings to each other.
The molotov didn't seem out of range for me honestly. Firstly because I know he was one of the first people flying drones for defence, and now they've been mass producing their own for a few years. I have to admit, it seems pretty rational to want to fight back in any way possible.
cryptoegorophy
18 days ago
Smartest thing would've been - move out of Ukraine. Shit went sideways long before borders got closed. There were plenty of red flags.
verelo
18 days ago
Funny, not funny, this friend and I met up in early 2020 and had a beer down the road. He was telling me he'd rented his apartment in Liviv and was moving here next week. He had to go home to get some things, hand over the unit, and then he'd be back.
Next week was the pandemic, borders closed. He never left, and now he /still/ cant.
Scrapemist
18 days ago
They are proud people who want to defend their country.
abc123abc123
17 days ago
Let politicians fight and die in their own wars. If russia "visited" my country, I'd follow it with a drink in my hand from the bahamas. No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever.
throw0101c
17 days ago
> No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever.
If no one ever defends the dirt, the pieces of earth where you can enjoy a drink in peace and freedom will shrink over time as the aggressors will continue to gobble up land because of the lack of defending.
They keep moving forward, you keep moving back, until you have no where to retreat to.
user205738
17 days ago
Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle.
People are more important than the state. If they are not ready to defend him, why should they be forced? You can offer money or other valuables in return, such as fame, a pension, or a position, but if a person doesn't want to, why should they do it?
throw0101c
16 days ago
> Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle.
My family is from Eastern Europe: if people had not fought "meaningless" battles then the land would have been ruled by genocidal maniacs. As it stand my grandmother almost ended up in an oven.
My very existence is the result of the battles having meaning, that people fighting matters.
user205738
12 days ago
There is a significant difference.
Nothing will change for an ordinary person now.
At that time, the Genplan OST implied the almost complete extermination and the enslavement of a small number of the remaining people.
And also going back to the second part of the top commentary. At that time, people had a great motivation to defend their homeland and their loved ones. The survival of the country and the survival of the people in it were inextricably linked.
The current conflict has no such connection. The existence or cessation of the existence of the state is not related to the existence of people in it. Many of whom found life in a completely different country.
There were already volunteers, mercenaries, those who fell for a good salary. Why force those who actively avoid it?
FitchApps
17 days ago
Russia doesn't just "visit" your country. Lookup what Ruskiy Mir (Russian world) really means, basically your country gets subjugated by the Russians and I'm not talking about civilized or professional Russian forces - I'm talking about drunk and poor 20yo boys from a remote Russian villages that are now seeing the spoils of western civilization for the first time (do lookup what happened in Bucha, Kyiv suburbs in 2022 at the onset of invasion). Then of course the refusal of the Russians to recognize any other culture or language...the list goes on and on. So - yes, you could escape with a drink but then "If Not Me, Then Who"?
red-iron-pine
17 days ago
"I suggest bending over immediately and giving in to their demands" -- parent poster
and this isn't "just politicians", they're cleansing populations and relocating children
dpc050505
17 days ago
If politicians and the people who voted for them invade my country and hurt my family and friends I will be looking at revenge.
benterix
16 days ago
You have a very romantic view of Russian soldiers.
Scrapemist
14 days ago
You have to be be proud, yes.
bill_joy_fanboy
17 days ago
In this day an age, if you are a Western man defending a Western country's leading power structure, you are a fool.
The idea of being drafted to defend my country that sells me out at every opportunity is laughable.
anticodon
18 days ago
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kakacik
18 days ago
This is a lie, please stop spreading those. There are no "all barbed wire" borders, no anti-personnel mines, "guards with automatic weapons" sounds like some meme from 80s video games (which border guards anywhere in the world don't have some rifle with automatic fire mode?). Young people from Ukraine can currently travel free as far as I know.
You were thinking about russia, weren't you. Its not true even for that shithole, but much closer.
koonsolo
18 days ago
I work with plenty of people from Ukraine. And recently, someone went abroad. So it's definitely still possible.
anticodon
18 days ago
Very unlikely. Men of ages 18-60 are forbidden to leave Ukraine since February 27 or 28 of 2022. Women cannot cross the border since 2023.
Of course, there should be some exceptions. For example, some people need to go abroad to bring Western supplied munitions, officials can leave to visit other countries, etc.
But almost 100% of the population cannot leave Ukraine under any circumstances.
tasuki
18 days ago
> Women cannot cross the border since 2023.
I have spoken with several Ukrainian women who have crossed the border several times since 2023. They live and work in Poland or Czechia, but go visit Ukraine once or twice a year. Note they're Ukrainian citizens, and do not have Czech nor Polish citizenship.
kakacik
18 days ago
Untrue, why the heck do you keep spreading lies all over here? Young people including men 18-22 can leave Ukraine these days.
This change was all over the world news at the end of December. You are not on the top of your game, are you.
anticodon
18 days ago
I don't follow Ukrainian laws closely. I remember they allowed young men of ages 18-22 to cross the border in August 2025 (!). That caused enormous lines on the borders as the first day after this law 11,000 young men fled the country.
But that only about men of age 18-22. Men of age 22-60 still cannot leave the country. And 18-22 couldn't leave the country for three years.
koonsolo
17 days ago
Honest question: why do you comment when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? You make all kinds of false claims, and then people who actually know have to correct you.
anticodon
17 days ago
I have information from the first hands because half of my family lives in Ukraine.
Where do you get your information? From CNN? Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border?
koonsolo
17 days ago
You skipped the part where I said I work with Ukrainians? I work with them on a weekly basis for 13 years.
> Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border?
Did I say he crossed it legally? He crossed it illegally of course, which according to you was impossible due to guards with automatic rifles, drones and anti-personnel mines.
> half of my family lives in Ukraine.
My bet: You haven't spoken with them in years, because they cut connections due to your political views. Just as I will now.
gpderetta
18 days ago
A not so great man once said: "To think badly is a sin, but you're almost always right".
koonsolo
18 days ago
> Very unlikely.
Well, the guy I know fled Ukraine last year, and is now alive and well abroad. So I would say very likely.
crystal_revenge
18 days ago
The world we're headed for there is no "other place" to escape to. Many people's view of survival during collapse ultimately assumes the existence of a fairly large "safe haven" space for which they just need to survive until they get there.
koonsolo
18 days ago
That depends on a lot of personal things. I remember a Ukrainian I personally know, leaving after the 2014 invasion.
When Russia was doing "exercises" at their border in 2022, I asked them in a meeting what they felt (guys living in Lviv). Most of them thought Russia would have done it in 2014 already, and now it didn't make much sense. Only 1 person responded he filled up his gas tank. But in the end, nobody left Lviv right after the invasion.
nidnogg
18 days ago
Cool new toys! I like it. I've recently been thinking of branching into more water sports such as rowing, ocean swimming and the like to have a better shot at surviving out at sea. Hopefully I've gotten some mountains covered by now.
EchoNexus
18 days ago
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