I'm Being Prosecuted for the Opposite of Insider Trading

20 pointsposted 13 hours ago
by mudil

12 Comments

pushcx

12 hours ago

Left writes:

> The government’s position is that I should have known I couldn’t trade stocks I’d publicly praised—for some unspecified period of time. I didn’t lie, I simply traded too soon.

The criminal complaint is here, allegations begin on page 7: https://prod-i.a.dj.com/public/resources/documents/andrew-le...

The part Left seems to be responding to in his article is:

> defendant LEFT often built his positions using inexpensive, short-dated options contracts that would expire within zero to five trading days and submitted limit orders to close his positions as soon as the Targeted Security reached a certain price.

The generic term for the government's allegations is not "the opposite of insider trading", it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump

abigail95

12 hours ago

A pump and dump has to be false, misleading or deceptive. This is not the case here.

Edit: I have now read some of the complaint. This is just sec fraud, which is consistent with what the article is claiming. "The opposite of insider trading" ie trading in the direction of the advice you're giving.

Gov says the statements were material, false, with intent. If they can't prove false to the level of being a material statement they will lose.

Edit2: This comes right up to the line, whether it's material to have false/non-statements about your intentions. There's another case that will come up if you research this about whether intentions are material.

PlatoIsADisease

13 hours ago

What ever happened to Elon for pumping his stock causing it to enter the S&P500 and causing index funds to buy? That sucks because now I own lots of meme stock.

Also, don't short sellers literally do what is described in the article?

recursivecaveat

12 hours ago

The criminal complaint posted above alleges that he was not truthful, which presumably a 'reputable' activist short selling firm would be. The other difference I suppose would be buying positions with horizons longer than 1 week, so that you are exposed to the actual fundamental performance of the company instead of just the immediate reaction to your publicity.

> To maximize the impact of Citron’s commentary on the price of a Targeted Security, defendant LEFT bolstered Citron’s credibility through false and misleading statements about its research staff, process, independence, external investors, and economic incentives.

rogerrogerr

12 hours ago

If you don't like $TSLA being in your various index funds, isn't it relatively trivial to concoct a short position that offsets your net shares owned?

All the indexes publish what the index is comprised of, I bet if you told ${AI} all your positions it would go figure out what your net $TSLA position is.

I think $TSLA valuation is insane, but I've seen what happens to people who short it...

mw1

11 hours ago

It’s not trivial to concoct a short position in TSLA to offset your index holdings.

For one, it has large borrowing costs. You already admit that short sellers haven’t fared well, and shorting over a long time period can be very costly. Concocting a short position to offset one’s long-term index holdings requires being fairly accurate with timing and is very different than just wishing it wasn’t in there because you imagine that eventually the bill on that will come due, even if it’s years down the line.

If I’m wrong, I’d love to see a cheap way to do it over a 5-10 year period.

ctchocula

9 hours ago

Direct indexing will soon be able to provide that functionality of giving you S&P 500 stocks minus A, B and C companies you don't want to hold. However, cheap and reliable direct indexing brokerages aren't out there yet. Hopefully more competitors show up and help lower the prices for everyone.

Gunax

3 hours ago

From the article comments:

> Add to this fatuous criminal charge the sad reality that the process is often the punishment. Even after Mr. Left's innocence gets determined by a jury, there's the strong possibility that he'll depart the courtroom to go home to the Poor House.

> See: Wall Street Journal 8 November 2015

> I Was an Oil Spill Scapegoat -- I helped cap the Deepwater Horizon well, The Justice Department then turned my life into a legal nightmare

> -- Kurt Mix, BP drilling engineer, who published a blistering commentary about the US Justice Department immediately following a major revision to the case. After two years of expensive, life-upending dealings, all of the felony charges got dropped, and, "I would plead guilty to a minor misdemeanor for deleting a set of text messages without BP’s permission—something I had acknowledged doing from the very beginning."

> Good luck Mr. Left...

I thought this was interesting on went down the BP prosecution rabbit hole.

treetalker

13 hours ago

Yeah, but you're supposed to give half to Trump, duh! Haven't you been paying attention? A few million to the super-PAC and a 40% ownership interest in Citron Research should make this go away.

0xy

13 hours ago

Welcome to the new ownership, same as the old ownership. 10 for the big guy, Clinton Foundation etc.