> I assume 9 is better than 7 right? Right?

Oh, the number of times I’ve heard someone assume their five- or ten-year-old machine must be powerful because it’s an i7… no, the i3-14100 (released two years ago) is uniformly significantly superior to the i7-9700 (released five years before that), and only falls behind the i9-9900 in multithreaded performance.

Within the same product family and generation, I expect 9 is better than 7, but honestly it wouldn’t surprise me to find counterexamples.

A machine learning model can place a CPU on the versioning manifold but I'm not confident that it could translate it to human speech in a way that was significantly more useful than what we have now.

At best, 14700KF-Intel+AMD might yield relevant results.

Apparently it’s been a thing for a while:

What is an AI PC? ('Look, Ma! No Cloud!')

An AI PC has a CPU, a GPU and an NPU, each with specific AI acceleration capabilities. An NPU, or neural processing unit, is a specialized accelerator that handles artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning (ML) tasks right on your PC instead of sending data to be processed in the cloud. https://newsroom.intel.com/artificial-intelligence/what-is-a...

CES stands for Consumer Electronics Show last I checked.

TIL Geohot pretty much want the exact same thing in a laptop. Basically a Macbook Pro running Linux.

And that root of all that shit lies Apple and the ‘book’ suffix.

i cant believe we're still putting NPUs into new designs.

silicon taken up that couldve been used for a few more compute units on the GPU, which is often faster at inference anyway and way more useful/flexible/programmable/documented.

Cost cutting? 18a probably has more invested in it then every other process Intel has ever produced combined.

> cost cutting on Lunar Lake

It's... the launch vehicle for a new process. Literally the opposite of "cost cutting", they went through the trouble of tooling up a whole fab over multiple years to do this.

Will 18A beat TSMC and save the company? We don't know. But they put down a huge bet that it would, and this is the hand that got dealt. It's important, not something to be dismissed.

They did reshuffle their board a bit after firing Pat to bring in some people with industry and domain expertise and not just academics / outside industry folks.

I think you mean laser focus on everything. Maybe they have a prism.

State of the art lithography currently uses extreme ultraviolet, which is 13.5nm. So maybe they are EUV laser-focused, just with many mirrors pointing it in 5 different directions?

Intel is claiming that Panther lake has 30% better battery life than Lunar Lake.

The numbers and the benchmarking conditions are in the PDF linked on that page:

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2026/CES2026/Intel-CES20...

>Isn't it a bit exaggerating to say that users cannot use Snapdragon laptops except for running LLMs?

I think maybe what OP meant was that the memory occupied by the model meant you couldn't do anything alongside inferecing, e.g. have a compile job or whatever running (unless you unload the model once you've done asking it questions.)

to be honest, we could really do with RAM abundance. Imagine if 128GB ram became like 8GB ram is today - now that would normalize local LLM inferencing (or atleast, make a decent attempt.)

ofcourse youd need the bandwidth too...

Prism is not as good as Rosetta 2? At least Prism supports AVX.

Lunar Lake throttles a lot. It can lose 50% of its performance on battery life. It's not the same as Apple Silicon where the performance is exactly the same plugged in or not.

Lunar Lake is also very slow in ST and MT compared to Apple.

Qualcomm's X Elite 2 SoCs have a much better chance of duplicating the Macbook experience.

And as far as I can see, it's a total waste of silicon. Anything running in it will anyway be so underpowered that it doesn't matter. It'd be better to dedicate the transistors to the GPU.

The latest Ryzen mobile CPU line didn't improve performance compared to its predecessor (the integrated GPU is actually worse), and I think the NPU is to blame.

But like.....what for example. As a normal windows PC user, what kind of software can I run that will benefit from that NPU at all?

Are we calling tensor cores NPUs now?

So 18A is roughly TSMC N4P. N4P is part of the N5 family.

Closer to n3 or n5 I would think. Intel's node numbering is far more aspirational than TSMCs.

If it's still being updated the wikipedia article about semi fabrication has a table with some reasonably comparable numbers (when known) for Intel X and TSMC Y

If that is the case then it's interesting how intel managed to catch up so quickly.

AMD Strix Halo does not have on-package RAM. What makes it stand out from other x86 SoCs is that it has more memory channels, for a total of a 256-bit wide bus compared to 128-bit wide for all other recent consumer x86 processors.

Qualcomm's laptop chips thus far have also not had on-package RAM. They have announced that the top model from their upcoming Snapdragon X2 family will have a 192-bit wide memory bus, but the rest will still have a 128-bit memory bus.

Intel Lunar Lake did have on-package RAM, running at 8533 MT/s. This new Panther Lake family from Intel will run at 9600 MT/s for some of the configurations, with off-package RAM. All still with a 128-bit memory bus.

Isnt Strix Halo and apple's m series a bit different. Iirc you need to choose how much ram will be allocated to the igpu, whereas on mac it is all handled dynamically.

It feels like a true until it's not problem.

Yes, you do need to spend more energy sending data between chiplets. Intel has been relentlessly optimizing that and is probably the furthest ahead of the game on that, with EIMB and Foveros. AMD just got to a baseline sea-of-wires, where they arent using power hungry PHY to send data, and that is only shipping on Strix Halo at the moment & is slated to be a big change for Zen6. But Intel's been doing all that and more, IMO. https://chipsandcheese.com/p/amds-strix-halo-under-the-hood https://www.techpowerup.com/341445/amd-d2d-interconnect-in-z...

That also has some bandwidth constraints on your system too.

There's the labor cost of doing package assembly! Very non trivial, very scary, very intimidating work. Just knowing that TSMC's Arizona chips have to be shipped back to Taiwan, assembled/packaged there, then potentially shipped where-ever is anec-data but a very real one. This just makes me respect Intel all the more, for having such interesting chips, such as Lakefield ~6 years ago, and their ongoing pursuit of this as a challenge.

So yeah, there are many optimal aspects to a single die. You're making a problem really hard by trying to split it up across chips.

It's not even clear why we want multi chip. As a consumer, if you had your choice, yes, you are right: we do want a big huge slab of a chip. There aren't many structural advantages for us, to get anything other than what we want, on one big chip.

And yet. Your cost savings can potentially be fantastically huge. Yields increase as your square millimeter-age shrinks, at some geometric or some such rate. Being able to push more advanced nodes that don't have the best yields and not have it be an epic fail allows for ongoing innovation & risk acceptance.

There's the modularity dividends. You can also tune appropriately: just as AMD keeps re-using the IOD across generations, Intel can innovate one piece at a time. This again is extremely liberating from a development perspective, to not have to get everything totally right, to be able to suffer faults, but not in the wafer, but at the design level, where maybe ok the new GPU isn't going to ship in 6 months after all, so we'll keep using the old one, but we can still get the rest of the upgrades out.

There's maybe some power wins. I don't really know how much difference it makes, but Intel just shutting down their CCD and using the on IOD (to use AMD's terms) tiny cores is relishably good. It's easy for me to imagine a big NPU or a big GPU that does likewise. I'm expecting similar from AMD with Medusa Point, their 2027 Big APU (but still sub Medusa Halo, which I cannot frelling wait to see).

I think Intel's been super super smart & has incredible vision about where chipmaking is headed, and has been super ahead of the curve. Alas their P-core has been around in one form or another for a long time & is a bit of a hog, and it's been a disaster for shipping new nodes. But I think they're set up well, and, as frustrating and difficult as it is leaving the convenience of a big chip APU, it feels like that time is here, and Intel's top of class at multi-chip, in a way few others are. We are seeing AMD have to do the same (Medua Point).

Optimal is a suboptimal statement. Only the Sith deal in absolutes, Anakin.

And even prior to EUV, Intel didn't make their own lithography tools.