The Weeb Economy

19 pointsposted a month ago
by paulpauper

14 Comments

didibus

a month ago

> In the 1950s and early 1960s, Japanese households reveled in the chance to have washing machines, televisions, and refrigerators; in the following decade, it was cars, air conditioners, and color TVs. In the 2020s and 2030s, the next set of “sacred treasures” could be futuristic gadgets like electric cars, AI assistants, heat pumps, battery-powered appliances, or personal care robots. They could be simple things like bigger houses, cheaper elder care and child care, and more comfortable sofas. Or they could be something that hasn’t even been invented yet.

This next batch of "sacred treasures" really seems crappy in comparison to the previous batch.

I'm not sure I see how the "simple things" would come, since those have only gotten less accessible since the 50s even in countries like the US whose economy grew year over year and didn't stagnate.

So everything is really hindging on "not yet invented". I do think we're all hopeful for true AGI, full humanoid robots that can replace all home labor, fully self driving cars that are not constrained by terrain, weather, or location. And so on...

PaulHoule

a month ago

One bit of the story which isn't widely recognized is that the Japanese language and music are remarkably legible to westerners.

In particular, westerners "just get" the emotional tone and rhythm of Japanese and right away feel the emotions of anime characters. My wife is skeptical of my Japanese obsession but she frequently remarks that she finds commercial Japanese music surprisingly relatable. I can still sing Japanese theme songs from old Rumiko Takahashi anime like Urusei Yatsura and Ranma ½ regardless of knowing or not knowing what they mean -- it's just easy.

This is not at all the case for Chinese, where the conflict between grammatical tone and the tone in music is immense, where Chinese music frequently sounds like the worst of Eastern European traditional music, and where I struggle to feel the feeling behind Chinese speech despite pop culture exposure and taking every chance I can get to watch the faces of Chinese speakers while they converse. No wonder games like Azur Lane, Genshin Impact and Arknights default to Japanese vocals in the West.

On top of that, Hollywood productions seem like they were made by the people who were too cool to hang out with me in high school, whereas anime is in the space of fantasy and science fiction that I grew up with. (Frickin' O'Neill colonies in 1979 Gundam)

I'm inspired by the story of how Kirby, Ditko, Lee revolutionized comics in the 1960s but even more inspired by how Type/Moon made a low-budget game, then a series of increasingly complex games culiminating in the multi-billion Fate/Grand Order, or how web novel authors get a publishing contract and then a manga and an anime that becomes a global sensation. Or how anime's reach often exceeds its grasp like the botched ending of Neon Genesis Evangelion, the bungled first firing of the wave motion gun in Space Battleship Yamato or the flawed anime of Backstabbed in a Backwater Dungeon with terrible character designs that turned me on a light novel that I greatly enjoy -- Hollywood just doesn't do that.

And it's about the superfan. Maybe you spend a bit on a Crunchyroll subscription but when my son got into Bocchi the Rock! he's spent hundreds on collecting volumes of the tankobon as soon as they come out. Anime fans care whereas Hollywood slop mostly washes over people.

aebtebeten

a month ago

Another bit of the weeb story: japanese TV also used NTSC, which, during the cold war, made it far easier to get bootleg anime in the US than bootlegs of english, but PAL format, BBC series!

gsf_emergency_6

a month ago

I wonder if GP was referring specifically to Serbo-Croat or Slovene music :)?

It's an interesting way to explain why Hong Kong media wasn't big in the UK (what about the slapstick?)

Hmm Anime is probably either escapist or "art", so has wiggle room wrt "Hofstede^W Erin Meyer's cultural dimensions"[-1]? Westerners[0] might not understand why e.g. Terrace House was as popular as anime (or why it ended the way it did..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrace_House:_Tokyo_2019%E2%8...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hana_Kimura#Early_life)

[-1]https://magdamiu.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/13.png

[0] Gemini suggests lack of manufactured drama :)

https://old.reddit.com/r/terracehouse/comments/9ulsyg/terrac...

aebtebeten

a month ago

Whatever GGP was referring to, I'm sure it'll all turn out OK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRVhWPignvU

Anime as escapist might mean that characters who read as exotically confrontational wrt japanese mores might read as exotically non-confrontational wrt to us mores? (compare https://eli.li/gundam-is-just-the-same-as-jane-austen-but-ha... ; to what extent does Asuka's personality in NGE reflect her ハーフ background?)

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asuka_Langley_Soryu#:~:text=%2... certainly reminds me of german confrontational drama; it's only missing a closing "or..." ]

PS. I think I've already asked you and Paul, but any more non-gaming recs for relatively accessible chinese pop culture?

In maritime (not anime!) news, in a couple of weeks let's see where https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:72... may be.

gsf_emergency_6

a month ago

PostNY resolution is to stop kayfabe-ing and get that orange psychotherapist cert that's been dangling in front of me :)

You (& GGGP) seem to be good at voicing what's in heads-- Asuka as a Japanese idea of a German hafu was exactly in the back of my mind. (Personally she seems fully Korean/Chinese, but maybe my psycho-cultiral-timeframe is off by a few decades?)

Just a quick shot. A few hours later...

aebtebeten

a month ago

Stop kayfabe-ing? Do you have any opinions on the chances of Randy "The Ram" Robinson doing a face turn?

gsf_emergency_6

a month ago

Update: other terrible example(s), tho to which PH might relate better https://old.reddit.com/r/cowboybebop/comments/ryl38e/i_know_...

You may have noticed im (like PH) not into Chinese (outside gamer/douyin) pop culture, but putting on my neighbors' hat..

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BD%86%E9%A1%98%E4%BA%BA%E9...

Oh you meant that kind of Chinese, that kind of pop...

(Sorry, the targeted demo -- as usual for tearjerkers-- of the above is women as young as TT was )

..boy I'm crying thinking about that show damn!

Exotically nonconfrontational? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Punch_Man

(PH might have far better ans'/recs-- as usual)

(Update 2: sorry to have been giving an impression that I'm into Japanese -- or any other -- pop culture! Tho it doesn't matter to aeb I know info theory wise!!)

Lagniappe

https://youtu.be/erCeRAE7FFI

aebtebeten

a month ago

Speaking of HK, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0K8jkNLPdQ is amazingly accessible, but looking at AM it does seem that {c,m}-pop stars have short lifespans? Are they like the May Queen/Wicker King archetype, sacrificed young so their fans may collect their relics? Or have I just over extrapolated from N=2 (and Joplin et al) :-) ?

Lagniappe: (these guys are no longer this young) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZLIWoUbcyo

gsf_emergency_6

a month ago

PH was correct; the melodist is Japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0K8jkNLPdQ&t=13s

In my mind -- the series notwithstanding -- TT (like you) is forever middle-aged (rzn like azn?)

E- Ask a friendly nbhd (full-blooded) Russian/Serbo-Croat for Chinese p(r)op recs :)

aebtebeten

a month ago

C noté ! ought to be easy enough to try sometime this year, although these days they've been displaced from the bottom of the totem pole by refugees from the "Arab Spring".

aebtebeten

a month ago

gsf_emergency_6

a month ago

Ahh yes Bruce Lee, was he in your N=2.

It makes even more sense if you consider only the internationally famous ones (so J would be kind of an anomaly-- Nujabes?)

aebtebeten

a month ago

I think Lee makes N=3, let me recount (hmm: cerebral edema as symptom of ischemic stroke?)

Nujabes sounds more like Cray (Seymour, not Robert) or Tsoi? I'm old enough to have had enough relatives, friends, and colleagues taken out by automobiles that although I'm willing to tinfoil, at least for the sake of argument, on relatively young cardiovascular issues, it'd seem to be very difficult to statistically distinguish targeted auto accidents from the thermal background.

EDIT: the population was {AM,TT} because I was not tinfoiling. Unless I'm horribly mistaken it's much easier to induce acute cardio failure than a cancer?