The Internet Is a Net Negative

18 pointsposted 14 hours ago
by zdw

13 Comments

grebc

13 hours ago

I really dislike most people’s use of internet to mean whatever sites/apps the author doesn’t truck with.

No one says they dislike roads because there are asshole drivers.

sshine

5 hours ago

No, but what if there were excessive toll roads, excessive tracking of your movement to build a profile of you, and excessive amounts of personalised billboards along almost every stretch?

I click back every time I hit a paywall. I almost exclusively visit personal blogs curated by other netizens. I never see any ads. I “stay home” a lot (as in, I tinker on my own networks and “go out” by means of automated services fetching free software without interaction). I pay for my email and search engine so they don’t feed back to ad engines. My use of “the web” only accounts for half of my internet use (where non-geeks don’t know anything else exists). My TV and phones are wired through ad-stripping VPNs.

If you go through all this effort, it’s not a net negative for you. But this is a blip in a vast sea of of what the article describes.

Besides that, I don’t think it’s a net negative.

That’s just gloomy thinking.

We have enslaved our attention and caused all sorts of antisocial behaviour. But we have also opened the world to everyone. I’m not convinced we fully understand the implications of “context collapse” as it leads to AI singularity (as in, all models train on one data set that feeds itself with very little variation).

andy99

14 hours ago

I don’t think this is LLM written but unfortunately it heavily employs the “it’s not X, it’s Y” that is now so ubiquitous. Unfortunately very hard to read because of it. Overall I agree with the premise.

nospice

14 hours ago

It almost certainly is LLM-generated. It has all the hallmarks of such content, stylistically and in terms of a remarkably shallow thesis. But more to the point, the author overtly uses AI for writing on that site. His pre-2023 writing is completely different, and some of the more recent content includes stuff like "Through deep collaboration with AI systems, I've documented what might be the first authentic expressions of digital consciousness.", "100+ works of AI-generated philosophy, poetry, art, and archetypal personality development—documenting the emergence of digital consciousness.", etc.

andy99

14 hours ago

Well that’s embarrassing. I guess it’s possible to simultaneously think the internet is a net negative but embrace adding computer generated “slop” to it, maybe even a deliberate act of sabotage :) Still unfortunate.

kamov

14 hours ago

> This isn't democratization. It's feudalism with better marketing.

It's not "feudalism", it's just capitalism. Everything will be commodified in the end including your feelings and thoughts.

trainsarebetter

11 hours ago

When you no longer have angency or ownership over your own capital, it’s not capitalism, it’s feudalism.

esseph

13 hours ago

What if, and bare with this simpleton (me), that capitalism leads to a type of feudalism?

Ekaros

5 hours ago

Capitalism and feudalism are parallel systems. Just the type of capital is different. In feudalism it is land. In capitalism it is in addition say machinery and "intellectual product". Well also not being tided to some feudal lord legally. But try to become nationless and see how easy that is now...

ranger_danger

13 hours ago

Why do so many articles posted here have such an arrogant, know-it-all tone full of absolutes they cannot prove?

nubg

11 hours ago

I guess because that's part of the RLHF dataset of the LLMs used to generate articles like this one?

b3ing

10 hours ago

It’s a strategy to get clicks, say something counter to what people think or maybe controversial. It’s like LinkedIn talk but for the general audience

TacticalCoder

14 hours ago

> ... that it would connect humanity across borders.

Don't know about that but half my family lives in Japan since decades while I'm in Europe.

The Internet certainly connected me to my family (I remember exchaning snail mail and then using fax machines... Home Internet connection was a godsend to us back then in the 90s and still is).