oefrha
8 hours ago
> Hochul compared the social media labels to warnings on other products like tobacco, where they communicate the risk of cancer, or plastic packaging, where they warn of the risk of suffocation for small children.
Great. I’m sure this will be just as effective as California Prop 65 cancer warnings.
boplicity
7 hours ago
Research says, apparently, that Prop 65 has actually been affective.
> The researchers analyzed concentrations of 11 chemicals placed on the Proposition 65 warning list and monitored by the CDC between 1999 and 2016. They included several types of phthalates, chemicals used to make plastics flexible; chloroform, a toxic byproduct from disinfecting water with chlorine; and toluene, a hazardous substance found in vehicle exhaust.
> They found that the majority of samples had significantly lower concentrations of these chemicals after their listing. But the levels didn’t just decline in California, they fell nationwide. [1]
Unfortunately, the NIH website [2] where the study is hosted is no longer operational. I don't think certain people want to support scientific inquiry. Maybe someone else can find the study text?
[1] https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-11-11/study-d...
thegrim000
5 hours ago
My initial question would be why they those to analyze those 11 specific chemicals, out of the 900+ that received the warning, and whether the same results would be seen with any of the other 889+ chemicals, or were those 11 specifically cherry picked.
SilasX
6 hours ago
Was that because of Prop 65, though? The day-to-day effect seems to be alert fatigue and people ignoring the warnings because they're everywhere.
I read the links to find the proposed mechanism (NIH link is dead btw), and it says that businesses pre-emptively reformulated to avoid having the label, but the LA Times story also says this is a mixed bag, often resulting in a switch to less-tested, possibly unsafe substitutes simply because they weren't on the list.
>>But swapping one chemical for an unlisted substitute has sometimes resulted in its own consequences.
>>For example, when bisphenol A, an ingredient in plastics, was listed in 2013, chemical concentrations in blood and urine samples subsequently fell by 15%. However, that was followed by a 20% rise in bisphenol S — a closely related chemical also linked with reproductive toxicity.
SilasX
4 hours ago
Late edit: looks like you had already mentioned the link being dead, sorry.
mgraczyk
7 hours ago
Most of the labeled chemicals aren't harmful, so decreasing concentrations is not a good thing
andyjohnson0
7 hours ago
What about the outcome of decreasing the concentrations of chemicals that are harmful? Is that a positive result?
mgraczyk
3 hours ago
Yes but I think outweighed by the overall cost and harm of putting up little warning signs in every restaurant, coffee shop, parking garage, and grocery store in the state
miltonlost
7 hours ago
Great! I'm sure they'll be as effective as tobacco warnings are!
Teever
7 hours ago
Labels on products designed to be addictive like modern social media isn’t a silver bullet but it’s an important first start.
You’re right though that it’s going to take far bigger things like antitrust action and fining companies for making misleading statements about the health consequences and purposes of their products.
Another way this problem can be attacked is by changing the cultural perspective around working at companies like Meta.
There was a time where it was socially acceptable to work at s tobacco company. People would proudly tell their family that they work in marketing for tobacco companies but now? When have you ever heard someone tell you they work for big tobacco?
If the government mandated that social media had to have pictures of neckbeard nests in people’s feeds with warnings that this could happen to you with repeated social media use I bet the people who work at Meta would be a laughing stock in their social circles which would go a long ways to disrupting the pipeline of people willing to destroy our society for a quick buck.
vjvjvjvjghv
7 hours ago
"When have you ever heard someone tell you they work for big tobacco?"
Go to southern Virginia or North Carolina.
Teever
40 minutes ago
So in other words it’s not an industry that people around the world aspire to work in nor will pridefully tell you that the work in.