More dynamic cronjobs

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hiAndrewQuinn

5 hours ago

I keep toying with the idea of writing a cron that implements a Poisson process. Say I give it a parameter of 3600; our `pcron` would ensure the jobs occur randomly but average out to once per hour, making the timing of the next run independent of the last via the memoryless property of the exponential distribution.

The next sleep interval would be calculated probably as as t = -\lambda \ln(U) (where U is a uniform random variable). This way you ensure that the probability of the job firing in the next 10 seconds is the same whether the last job finished an hour ago or just five seconds ago. But \lambda remains the average amount of time between jobs.

It’s compelling to me because it solves thundering herd problems at the architectural level, and also because it simply seems like a lot of fun to have to code very defensively against such chaos. Switching back to a deterministic schedule after surviving such chaos probably leads to a much more robust system overall.

jpalomaki

4 hours ago

Learned once the hard way that it makes sense to use "flock" to prevent overlapping executions of frequently running jobs. Server started to slow down, my monitoring jobs started piling, causing server to slow down even more.

  */5 * * * * flock -n /var/lock/myjob.lock /usr/local/bin/myjob.sh

cluckindan

an hour ago

Have you tested how this behaves on eventually consistent cloud storage?

atherton94027

28 minutes ago

I'm confused, is EBS eventually consistent? I assume that it's strongly consistent as otherwise a lot of other linux things would break

If you're thinking about using NFS, why would you want to distribute your locks across other machines?

WolfCop

9 hours ago

Does anyone maintain a programmatically accessible list of holidays for their company? Similar to the HOLIDAYS.txt in the article, but it would allow for things like “don’t run this the day before or during a company holiday.”

I work at a company with different holidays in certain countries, which would complicate things, and require something more structured than a list of dates. But having that accessible could be useful.

Has anyone tackled that, or come across a solution?

krick

2 hours ago

Not sure what do you mean. I.e., what exactly is supposed to be the tricky part. Yes, I've dealt with quite a few processes like that, but I never tried, or would ever want to to put this into crontab. In fact, I don't know how the author intended his article, but if you consider doing that for production, I strongly advice you not.

What you do instead, is you schedule the cronjob for the most generic case, e.g. each day. And if it does not need to run 3 days before holidays with crescent moon when wind is blowing from the south, it is just the part of business logic of the process, which you write in the any proper programming language that you prefer (or that the system is written in anyway).

Now, how do you manage the list itself depends on the details and I've done all sorts dirty things that one probably shouldn't do (cutting corners), but in the most flexible case it is just some CRUD-type page in your back-office system, with a real UI, and there is a person (usually in the bookkeeping department of the company) who has it among his responsibilities to maintain the schedule. You store it in some proper SQL database and cache it aggressively, so the the myriads of cronjobs don't bother it more than necessary.

stackskipton

2 hours ago

I've been at several companies that have tried.

One just did it with code where all the processes had holiday.json which would be checked at each launch, if it was holiday, it would do no work and exit.

Other one is operator that would monitor if it was supposed to be a holiday and either change systemd or Kubernetes to suspend the jobs.

I'd recommend code over messing with the system, much more flexible.

godelski

5 hours ago

I think this could be solved quite similar to the OP and better done with systemd. Spitballing, but I think the best thing to do would be to write the timer in a standard file but have the activation time be written in an override file. That way you can ensure you are just editing that file with your scraper (should be able to hit the API if it is something like a google calendar or outlook).

I think the systemd timer would give you the benefit here as you can write the time in varying formats. Timezones, UTC, local, or whatever. That should give you the structure you need, if I'm understanding your problem correctly.

While systemd has more boilerplate than cron I think it has a lot of advantages that make it worth it. Best to just have a skeleton of these jobs (I keep some in my dotfiles) and then you have it. Or have the LLM write it (ironically one of the few instances I'll advocate for letting the AI write the code). You can do everything in the article and so much more.

https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd.time.7

glawre

6 hours ago

At our company we have enough systems reliant on holiday dates that we have a Holiday system that emits events when there are changes.

This happens surprisingly often, given that religious dates change and there are holidays/closures for storms in some regions.

sublinear

6 hours ago

I had something come up recently that I think sounds similar. That project needs several time-sensitive jobs. When any one of them runs, the first thing it does is check a holidays.json file.

It parses the file using jq and compares its entries with the current time according to GNU date. At the root is the names of the jobs. Each job has its own list of holidays. Each of these holiday items in the job's respective list has keys for the display name of the holiday, the formatted date to compare to, and in a few cases the ISO day-of-week and a string containing a modulo arithmetic function (e.g. don't run the friday before Christmas, etc.).

Sorry, yes that means I call eval on that string and yes that means some of these are repeated in the same file under the arrays for the other jobs. Also, such lists will have to be maintained and the exact observed dates cannot always be known ahead of time beyond about a year since people can change their minds for various reasons (think bank holidays). Depending on your use case you may also want to define a start time and end time for a window of when this should or shouldn't run (i.e. business hours).

I don't know if that helps. I know it's hacky, but I don't think there's a nice way to handle things like "second monday after 4th of july, but if the 4th also happens to be monday then it should instead be the second tuesday". God help you if you also need to handle each holiday being observed in different timezones. At least at the end of the day none of this would be much code, just very terse code dense with meaning.

dherls

3 hours ago

I would definitely recommend not putting complex logic like this in your cron definitions. Much more annoying to find and debug in the future. I prefer to write a short wrapper script that contains the test logic instead and track/version control it

threemux

2 hours ago

Embedding a test like that is something I've never considered - very cool.

These days I tend to use systemd timers on Linux though. Despite my love/hate relationship with systemd, timers and service files are really nice.

bblb

7 hours ago

Also check out the 'chronic' command from moreutils. No more dev nulls.

stevenjgarner

9 hours ago

This is great! I'm sure like a lot of programmers, I had been fulfilling the requirement for similar conditional logic by having a simple recurring cron job run other code or database queries with the conditional logic that this post demonstrates can be done directly in cron.

hermannj314

6 hours ago

I learned something cool about cron filtering and a nice api I didn't know existed - date.nager.at

victorbjorklund

10 hours ago

Cool. Had no idea you could run commands inside a CRON expression.

garganzol

10 hours ago

Running a command is the main idea of cron. In this case, the author runs composite commands like:

    test && action
Where 'test' is another shell command that returns 0 or 1. This is not a special cron syntax, it's just the inherent capability of the Unix shell.

In any case, this whole approach is very clever and shows the beauty of The Unix Way.