Who Watches the Waymos? I do [video]

213 pointsposted 15 hours ago
by notgloating

67 Comments

chakintosh

21 minutes ago

Waymo's been doing for the past 5 years what Elon's promised to deliver 10 years ago (and is still not delivering)

forinti

19 minutes ago

Probably because their CEOs are focusing on their job and not fooling around.

dllu

13 hours ago

Very neat. I recently went to the Waymo depot in Bayshore (Toland St) and snapped a couple of pictures of the new Zeekrs for Wikipedia.

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Waymo_Zeekr_Vehicle_...

[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Waymo_Zeekr_Vehicle_...

blackoil

7 hours ago

How are Google allowed to get Zeekr? Are they pre tariff or they have some loophole being corporate?

fragmede

7 hours ago

> some loophole being corporate

Presumably they use the loophole called "paying the tariff".

dangus

42 minutes ago

Which isn’t even really that prohibitive because Chinese vehicles beat Western pricing by five figures.

Plus, all the sensor equipment is made in China anyway. There’s almost certainly no way to have it manufactured in the US.

On top of that, fleet sales don’t have to deal with the antiquated dealer network laws in the US.

And of course American market car manufacturers refuse to produce vehicles that are like this one: space efficient and reasonably sized, instead opting for gigantic bean shaped SUVs with sloping rear roofs that rob you of cargo space while taking up maximum curb real estate.

lotsofpulp

19 minutes ago

I would pay lots of money for an electric minivan (or van I guess) with removable seats that can fit a 4 ft x 8ft board.

dvrp

12 hours ago

How did you get in?

dllu

12 hours ago

These were parked on Hudson Ave, which is a public street, and not inside the fenced area of the depot. So I just walked up to them.

vasco

9 hours ago

Your Transamerica pyramid picture is incredible among really cool pictures you have there. Quite cool to photograph for wikipedia like this, the world needs more people like you!

HolySE

14 hours ago

That art fixture's placement at the Mission Waymo Depot is kinda cool. It's evocative of a future in which humanity lives a life of indolence propped up by automation.

polyomino

12 hours ago

Looks like it's GAIA by Marco Cochrane, I remember seeing it out in the desert. It looks like it might not be related to Waymo and just on the adjacent property

schoen

12 hours ago

Thanks, I was assuming it was the same artist as the one at the Embarcadero, and that seems to be right.

flomo

8 hours ago

As an old time burner, sometimes this kind of stuff seems like a flex, like 'you had to be there, sorry pleb' from the tech exec class. Anyway I'm glad they have something there than not.

CobrastanJorji

11 hours ago

I don't think the goal is indolence. The goal is freedom. We want a post-need society propped up by automation. That doesn't mean that we should spend our reclaimed time idling, though, but certainly we could.

atonse

9 hours ago

This is how I describe financial freedom. It’s not a particular number, it’s the freedom from thinking about money.

And which number gets you there depends on your lifestyle.

And taking a job without any consideration of pay.

0x38B

10 hours ago

Reminds me of the half-buried in the sands of time sculptures in Blade Runner 2049; the surrounding self-driving auto depot only adds to the resemblance to some far off future.

rossjudson

11 hours ago

It makes me think that we need more representations of humans on and in our cities, to remind us about who they are for. We can shift a small amount of architectural scale towards the human.

ramraj07

13 hours ago

I had to look up indolence. At least for the time being im not indolent enough not to look up such things I suppose.

nomilk

8 hours ago

Love the moonrise! Beautiful shots.

When most road transport is automated it will seem crazy that everyone had to drive for themselves, or sit in the car with a complete stranger, who may prioritise their comfort over the traveller's with regard to audio, navigation noise, air 'fresheners' / diffusers, temperature. Perhaps analogous to having a flatmate; it's mostly done out of necessity rather than choice.

netsharc

13 hours ago

Makes me think of Miniatur Wunderland's "self-charging" system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC8aOLWR134

It's the world most complex model railway with cars (not just trains) that go around in predetermined routes, and also go to the charging station when their battery is low. And I guess Waymos are a version of that but with human-scale! (Oh they still need humans to plug the charging cables into them).

I wonder if they park themselves or if the maintenance people park them...

Also, the footage feels like Satellite Reign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFZVXG0g40Q (or the original game, Syndicate Wars)

KellyCriterion

2 hours ago

Very impressive video! What you can clearly see:

If you scale this over the next years, "manual driving is over" :-D

This is just the very very early beginning, like the first seconds after big bang, we haven really started this whole thing: If you put just more ressources here, we will have giant parking houses for just self-driving-cars, like "coming home over night and recharge"

And this technology will come on a mass scale, Im pretty sure - there is nothing that can stop this?

How will this affect transportation jobs?

If you are today a big insurance like Munich Re, and you see already today that self-driving produces already much less accidents (90% or so I read days ago?), and the tech is really new & "not 100% reliable" and you believe that this tech will be rolled out - one day you will start lobbying politicans that manual driving needs to be forbidden, except some rare cases.

Lets come back in 10 years! :-)

surajrmal

34 minutes ago

Unless it comes down massively in price, it's not going to displace manual driving for anything other than Uber/taxi. It's far cheaper to drive your own car in most of the us. If parking lots disappear and the parking that remains becomes similar in price to that of major cities and insurance rates skyrocket, then maybe that will change, but only by increasing the overall cost of transportation.

Thorrez

2 hours ago

>If you are today a big insurance like Munich Re, and you see already today that self-driving produces already much less accidents (90% or so I read days ago?), and the tech is really new & "not 100% reliable" and you believe that this tech will be rolled out - one day you will start lobbying politicans that manual driving needs to be forbidden, except some rare cases.

Why would insurance companies lobby for that? 90% reduction in accidents means 90% reduction in premiums, which means 90% reduction in profits.

Do insurance companies have a history of lobbying for safety regulations?

ezfe

2 hours ago

Reduction in premiums doesn’t mean reduction in profit.

surajrmal

27 minutes ago

Aren't insurance profits capped to some percentage of revenue in most jurisdictions by law?

MarioMan

13 hours ago

Very interesting to see the workers in yellow presumably cleaning and manually plugging in the cars to charge.

chiefgeek

11 hours ago

Gave me a new appreciation for the scale of the investment /bet that is being made on transportation of the future.

erwincoumans

7 hours ago

Nice shots, would fit well in the Baraka (or Samara) movie.

rossjudson

11 hours ago

This is actually rather beautiful to look at, covering a full day/night cycle. Well done.

balaji1

12 hours ago

Great clips and editing. New perspective on the scale of self driving cars deployed currently.

Fricken

13 hours ago

Getting Bladerunner vibes from several things but mostly that giant translucent synthwave Marco Cochrane statue.

clemo_ra

14 hours ago

This is cool and soothing. Merry xmas

admissionsguy

8 hours ago

Can't they get out and kill the Ubers already instead of sitting in the lot? (half-serious, but I have been wondering what are the reasons they don't just push the price towards zero during low hours?)

blackoil

7 hours ago

They know how to boil a frog.

blueblisters

9 hours ago

Surreal. Almost like an optimistic science fiction film.

After all, self driving cars have some of the highest positive to negative externality ratio of any modern technology

spwa4

an hour ago

What amazes me about Waymo is how expensive the rides are. They're at least 20% more expensive than Uber (the much more expensive Uber of today, not the Uber of 2-4 years ago), sometimes 100-150% more expensive.

If they can't be cheaper, then what's the point?

Daneel_

an hour ago

No need to make small-talk with someone is a positive for many people. That might make it worth it?

transitorykris

13 hours ago

Watch the Zoox test vehicles please. They do absolutely terrifying things, _in every encounter_.

lateforwork

14 hours ago

Seeing all these Waymos together like this... is depressing. You get a sense of the scale at which machines are replacing humans. This could be a scary movie made in 1970s about the robotic future... and that future has now arrived. What will the world look like 10, 20 years from now? What would a scary movie made today contain?

svara

2 hours ago

It reminds me a bit of a very small scale version of a robotic harbor, which very much exists in many places across the world already.

I once toured the one in Hamburg, which is highly recommended if you ever get the chance.

Nothing else has quite given me that feeling of being tiny next to this giant city-scale robot since.

nutjob2

9 hours ago

Robots and technology have been replacing humans for many decades. It's a positive thing and change is a natural part of life. It's hardly depressing, it's progress.

It's not like humans are somehow put on this earth only to do certain jobs or the same job forever. Contrary to 100+ plus years of predictions, humans will never become obsolete.

bgwalter

13 hours ago

I would make a movie about UBI recipients wearing shock collars that are supervised by Optimus robots and pluck almonds or apples.

Perhaps we need a euphemism for UBI: Let's call it "level-1 rich".

Mawr

15 hours ago

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akanet

15 hours ago

Most of it is not drone, but you have to think a bit about the angle and duration to realize this. Merry Christmas

pkkim

11 hours ago

I took the time to figure out where you took the shots from. You were not kidding about risk, especially for 201 Toland, Jesus Christ.

dang

14 hours ago

Could you please review and follow the site guidelines? "Oh, who cares." is not an ok way to respond to someone's work on HN, and is particularly bad when a thread is just getting underway.

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(of course I understand that it's disappointing when you're hoping for certain content and end up with something else, but still - please don't express that in a hostile way)

ceroxylon

11 hours ago

You changed my life with considerate moderation like this, so thank you for all that you do, thank you for keeping the ship on course.

blazingbanana

14 hours ago

I actually quite liked it, was somehow soothing, especially the car park that was used as a temporary location during the night.

Animats

12 hours ago

If you like that sort of thing, see "AGV Garden".[1]

(This is the port of Rotterdam, ten years ago. Sped up about 3x. Most big ports look like that now. Automated driving works really well when all those pesky humans are out of the way.)

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm_rlLyelQo&

akanet

9 hours ago

Very nice, quite enjoyed that.

throw-12-16

7 hours ago

I think the risk to safety was just existing in SF at night.

nullc

14 hours ago

It isn't what you were expecting-- but it's really good. Give it another look with no expectations.