US bars 5 Europeans it says pressured tech firms to censor American viewpoints

88 pointsposted a day ago
by c420

26 Comments

jackvalentine

a day ago

Looking for an explanation about how these people weren’t just engaging in freedom of speech?

ralph84

21 hours ago

A government official who created and implemented government censorship regulation is a little bit more than "just engaging in speech". That's like saying Deng Xiaoping was "just directing traffic" when the tanks rolled in to Tiananmen.

mellosouls

8 hours ago

They weren't implementing "government censorship regulation". They were trying to ensure the different views on speech in their own countries are respected and conformed to.

This is a clear example of global operators running up against the natural friction of conflicting national customs and laws.

It's a particularly knotty issue in the intuitively borderless and passionate medium of internet speech and won't be helped by regulators or commenters here ignoring that.

jackvalentine

21 hours ago

I presume you’re referring to something specific there. What is it?

computergert

16 hours ago

Apparently the U.S. has reached a point where it will punish foreign officials for policy decisions in their own countries simply because those decisions clash with Silicon Valley’s preferences. Really sad to see the US sinking deeper and deeper every day.

amarcheschi

a day ago

Not just random Europeans, but activists and nothing less than a former EU officer

r721

a day ago

Anti-anti-disinformation measures are very important for this US administration for some reason.

ZeroGravitas

17 hours ago

They cancelled the US Department of Defense's anti-foreign-adversary-disinformation efforts for a specific, not suspicious at all, example.

ffsm8

a day ago

As a person living in an EU country I feel the urge to say: the legislation which made them a target is definitely problematic and should never have been passed. If you consider Trumps an extremist wrt censorship, you should be aware that the linked legislation in the article opens up significant more headway for legal censorship then whatever Trump did to date. And the reason why they've most likely gotten targeted is because they tried to deplatdorm him back in 2024 by quoting how he's "amplifying hate" (under this legislation).

Frankly, legislation like this makes me dream about a reality in which there is a real independent federal court going through all passed legislation to verify wherever it's in line with the fundamental rights of the country - and if a legislation fails the check, all who voted yes would then be marked, with repeated offenders being investigated and potentially charged with attempted treason.

isodev

a day ago

Is this the Epstein smokescreen?

slater

a day ago

Nah, that'll be the upcoming ground war in Venezuela. Which will conveniently also enable a third term for TFG, see, cos at war, and therefor, etc.

mindslight

a day ago

If Turmp was that much of a planner, he could have easily had a second term in 2020 by simply acknowledging Covid as a problem and actually leading the country. I don't think he himself has any real plan. He's just fucking aggro-demented [0] lashing out at his lifetime of grievances and trauma. Some trafficked Venezuelan girl probably didn't smile enough as he was about to use her or something. I'm sure the people around him all have their larger plans though.

[0] anyone that's cared for old people sees the two very different archetypes in "sleepy joe" vs "destructive don"

hackeraccount

13 hours ago

He's a random walk. When he gets feedback - good or even negative if it's from people he doesn't care for - he'll move more in that direction.

thejazzman

a day ago

If you recall how it played out, he seemed pretty confident that pressing certain people to find votes and storming the capital would … well he was right wasn’t he? I mean, behaved like it would be and it was. Here we are.

mindslight

a day ago

That's just immediate reaction though, not planning. You don't even really have to pin the blame fully on him, if the people around him were whispering in his ear that the election was really stolen, etc. In fact such true belief would make him a better salesman. (Although in the mind of that type of con artist I doubt there is much of a distinction between reality and what they want to be true)

adi_kurian

a day ago

Europeans spend all their time complaining rather than building the next Google. That's why they have no Googles and we aren't going to let them in anymore. Regulation is also bad. /s

kanbara

a day ago

"american" viewpoints aka fascism and naziism and the promotion of white supremacist views. it will take so much time to undo this mess.

netsharc

a day ago

Obligatory: "Are we the baddies?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY

Looking forward to the commenters arguing that this regime aren't the baddies...

nielsbot

a day ago

They tell me i’m being hysterical when I call the regime fascist. Ok, buddy.

mindslight

13 hours ago

The way I see it, if they don't want to be called fascists then they need to find a new label that accurately describes their desired goals. As long as they keep hiding behind this preposterous cloak of "conservative" to cover for an extremely radical agenda, I will use the label "fascist" as it seems to be the most-fitting existing term.

Alternatively they can explain how their agenda differs from fascism, rather than most arguments being of the form that <fascist dynamic> is required due to <some perceived emergency>.

xiphias2

a day ago

Another interesting news item that has nothing to do with hacking and a great target for being flagged for being controversial.

asplake

21 hours ago

No relevance at all to (say) social media firms, media firms more generally, and AI firms also?

silexia

14 hours ago

Good! It is wonderful to see American government leaders actually protecting American values like free speech!

wltr

14 hours ago

Thanks for the attention to this matter!