VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

438 pointsposted 3 months ago
by kirschner
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73 Comments

dmix

3 months ago

Years ago I remember complaining on HN that VLC didn't support remembering the position of the video you've already partially watched, when multiple other video players supported it.

The only reply was someone saying you should contribute to the open source project yourself to fix it instead of complaining. I don't know anything about coding a multi-platform video player so I wasn't much use but not long after they released a version supporting it and I felt bad for complaining.

wiether

3 months ago

ngl: I was expecting a crazy success story where you started learning to code to add your feature and then you went on becoming a streaming expert at a FAANG

But glad you had your feature!

snowram

3 months ago

Thank god not every post has to look like a LinkedIn story.

preisschild

3 months ago

Tbf you could donate money to someone who does have the expertise to do it.

Free software is not "free" (as in free beer). People have to build and maintain it.

HenrikB

3 months ago

Another way to donate is to proof read documentation and report on typos, spelling errors, etc. Some projects have documentation in multiple languages - helping out in a language you know is another excellent way to contribute.

Many projects have great communities, making it all fun and engaging.

user

3 months ago

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antirez

3 months ago

So many hours of fun watching videos over the years, without the constant fear that some odd codec would make the experience impossible. Thanks, VLC!

echelon

3 months ago

VLC was a big deal in the 2000s if you wanted to watch torrented anime. Operating systems didn't come with players with broad codec support and it was a legitimate nightmare to figure out what fly by night codec worked with whatever the bootleggers cobbled together to encode the video of the week.

These days, operating systems already have rock solid video players with far less clunky UI.

On Linux, video is already sublime thanks to ffmpeg and the dozens of available frontends.

It feels like wrestling with 1998 in trying to use VLC these days. It's got a real WinAmp feel to it.

But the real elephant in the room is that the lionshare of video is now being delivered by major media platforms like YouTube.

bigstrat2003

3 months ago

I remember having to install the K-Lite Codec Pack back in the day (college days) to be able to watch videos I would "acquire". When I eventually discovered VLC, it was like a breath of fresh air. I still use it to this day as my default video player, because nothing else comes close to the quality they have.

da_chicken

3 months ago

I'm the opposite. I started out using VLC, but once I found the codec packs (K-Lite being one of the last) I immediately started using other, more user friendly media players.

The problem with VLC is that the interface consistently feels... both imprecise and ridiculously granular. Everything just behaves weird. It felt weird in 2002 and it still feels weird in 2025. Like they cribbed the design from a DivX player, and haven't thought about it since.

VLC seems bound and determined to not let you interact with a video without pausing it, then opening the menu and hunting for option you need. Yes, I could set up my own interface, but that's not an excuse for not having a bare minimum of functionality that matches modern user expectations. Besides, configuring VLC to have the interface you want is itself not an easy task. Like, they have interface presets. Why isn't there a preset interface for "make this match YouTube"?

Just looking at what they chose to make be default key bindings is just bizarre to me. Half the things they have bound to single key presses are things that have never come up for me ever, while several things I want to use frequently are double or triple key combinations or not available for binding at all. All the default adjustments like skipping ahead or adjusting speed are all so granular that you have to hit them 10 or more times to actually accomplish anything. Just a completely alien interface to me. This software feels like it was built to solve media problems that I have not encountered since the late 90s when video tracks and audio tracks were more frequently out of sync from the producer.

What using VLC has taught me over 20 years is that the best way to play media with VLC is to open the software, begin playback of the media, and then under no circumstances attempt to interact with the software again.

invaliduser

3 months ago

In the early 2000s the video field was flooded with fast paced releases of new codecs and new codecs versions, and there was codecs implementation to downloads right and left, and people were bundling them and releasing them with names sounding like a warez group. It was a little crazy to watch a video at the time.

This was mitigated by vlc and mplayer, two video players that integrated most codecs as fast as they could, and it was a breath of fresh air. You just started them and any video would play, no codec issue anymore. MPlayer has not been updated for some times, and traction was lost, but VLC, although looking a bit old on the UI-side (and a little buggy on ARM Windows) is still here and is solid when someone just wants to watch a video on any platform.

LtWorf

3 months ago

> But the real elephant in the room is that the lionshare of video is now being delivered by major media platforms like YouTube.

Youtube is dubbing videos with AI for no reason whatsoever if you play the videos from the website these days.

noir_lord

3 months ago

I'm still curious how they thought that was remotely a thing anybody wanted.

The cynic in me says some PM rolled out it out because they had an internal metric to hit.

I know a lot of people who are bilingual (or trilingual) and they utterly loathe it.

LtWorf

3 months ago

The only explanation I can give myself is that Americans can't comprehend the idea that a single person might speak more than one language.

It's pretty funny considering how google claims that their hiring practices make them hire only the most intelligent people on the planet.

Insanity

3 months ago

I’m one of those who hate it. I’m trilingual, but when watching something in any foreign language I just want to read subtitles instead of “dubs”.

It is of course worse when it tries to do so on a language I already speak.

selfhoster11

3 months ago

I can see it being useful. Lots of people who don't know English are out there.

lukan

3 months ago

Can't you just deactivate it?

LtWorf

3 months ago

No idea, but also why is it activated when I've been watching english content on that account for several years?

lukan

3 months ago

I never experienced subs I could not deactivate. And why they activated it? Well, because they own their plattform and do what they want with it. (I think they have done worse)

LtWorf

3 months ago

Nobody here was talking about subtitles.

lukan

3 months ago

Then about what?

I assumed that was meant with "dubbing".

LtWorf

3 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbing

lukan

3 months ago

Oh, then I guess I did not wanted to understand. Does youtube really just changes the audiotrack of videos? I never encountered that so far.

LtWorf

3 months ago

Yep, with a robotic sounding voice. They decided I don't speak english so I either download the video externally or I must every single time select english as audio track.

bobsmooth

3 months ago

>It feels like wrestling with 1998 in trying to use VLC these days

What does this mean? I double-click and video file and it starts playing. What wrestling are you doing?

selfhoster11

3 months ago

> It feels like wrestling with 1998 in trying to use VLC these days. It's got a real WinAmp feel to it.

What do you mean by that? To me, it's like any other application - you double-click the file (or run `vlc file.mp4`), and it plays. That the UI is not oversimplified is a cultural thing, VLC decided to cater to those that prefer to have the extra controls.

distances

3 months ago

> These days, operating systems already have rock solid video players with far less clunky UI.

Not my experience at all. At least colleagues using Windows always run into video playing troubles in online meetings unless they use VLC.

kakacik

3 months ago

That's... a very subjective take to be polite and can't agree much. I enjoy VLC very much, install it everywhere even on TV, and couldn't care less about some OS/bundled players, codecs and whatnot. UI is great, clean, easy to navigate. Couldn't ask more from video player.

DANmode

3 months ago

“If you insert a slice of bologna into the disc tray, VLC will play it.”

wara23arish

3 months ago

I remember using VLC and figuring out how to download subtitles and use them within it.

I suddenly became the computer person of my family at 11 because of that

Insanity

3 months ago

I somehow forgot about this! But yes matching subtitle timings with video playback is a distinct “VLC thing” that I remember doing in the early 2000s

fcksilvalment

3 months ago

One of the few honorable techies who didn't sell out

wiether

3 months ago

Even within people involved in the local market it is not a widespread thing, but for a year now he's been the CTO of Scaleway, one of the French cloud providers.

leoh

3 months ago

He’s pretty obsessed with making money off his Khyber thing afaict

goku12

3 months ago

That's not what a sell out means in this context. He refused offers in millions of dollars to sell VLC to possibly shady parties, thereby keeping it safe for people like us. Kyber on the other hand, is a dual licensed AGPL - commercial software. That's an entirely acceptable and respected practice in the FOSS community. That doesn't make him a sell out.

leoh

3 months ago

You are being a jerk. I don’t know what year you were born but the phrase “sell out” in the 90s would align perfectly with what I’m talking about here. I think he’s a sellout because he’s quite a jerk and going around making money on Khyber without properly releasing the source code per GPL.

So in my view he IS a sellout. You’re entitled to your view but don’t go around telling me or others they’re wrong, thank you.

khamidou

3 months ago

Seems like Kyber is dual-licensed AGPL and proprietary, seems like a pretty standard way to fund an open source project.

leoh

3 months ago

Yeah except for the fact that meaningfully zero of the source has been released

entrepy123

3 months ago

Public service announcement: VLC is on iPhone in the App Store, too. (Some people don't know this.)

hshdhdhj4444

3 months ago

I’ve been using it to listen to actual MP3s of the music I have. I can’t find any decent MP3 player on iOS (incredibly ironic given the iPod was one of the 3 devices the iPhone was supposed to be when Steve Jobs first introduced it) and VLC is pretty good.

doublerabbit

3 months ago

Foobar2000 is my go to on iOS. Works well just like the PCs version.

lossyalgo

3 months ago

Android version is also the best I've found without ads, has a decent UI and plenty of advanced features.

skydhash

3 months ago

I’m using VLC because it’s the only one that I know that can play opus. I chose the latter for lossy encoding because I have a few albums that are gapless and it’s hackish to get mp3 to support those (other than single mp3 file and cue file).

isodev

3 months ago

Also available on tvOS and you can watch video files from your home NAS or just send them from your iPhone/iPad!

trenchpilgrim

3 months ago

I find it handy for streaming videos from my Jellyfin server with good subtitling support, then casting to a TV!

ebb_earl_co

3 months ago

How do you manage this? Just copy the stream URL from Jellyfin Web or…?

trenchpilgrim

3 months ago

Yup the Stream URL is a valid HTTP media!

cocoto

3 months ago

The award is well deserved, VLC was a godsend a few years ago but I’m not sure what VLC brings to the table nowadays. All other players play videos just fine on Linux now. I guess VLC is only a thing on Windows because the default software is crap. On Linux almost everyone now use whatever is the default player or MPV for the nerds.

gyomu

3 months ago

I used VLC until I looked for a backward frame step functionality. I then found this thread on the VLC forums where the maintainers explain (with bad attitude) why this functionality is technically impossible. Everyone points out that mpv supports it, but the maintainers double down and say they’re Doing It Wrong and it shouldn’t be possible.

So anyways, I switched to mpv.

https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=120627

Springtime

3 months ago

On Windows at least VLC has had better alternatives for the past 20 years, both feature and UI wise. I had frame-stepping hotkeys back in the mid-00s with Korean video players. These days I use the currently maintained fork of MPC-HC which similarly has this.

On Mac it wasn't until the mid-10s that I found a decent player.

Barbing

3 months ago

“I, like others, arrived here through a Google search looking for this feature. Reading this thread is one of the worst decisions I've made recently. I will never have this time back and I am worse for it.”

1313ed01

3 months ago

I use it on my Android phone. Is there a better FOSS media player (or better any media player?).

VLC also still (or at least recently?) provides APKs you can download to install on very old Android versions. I have it installed on a few old Android tablets (and by old I mean something like Android version 4).

MPV everywhere else though.

spookie

3 months ago

MPV is on android too. But VLC is alright

bigstrat2003

3 months ago

I still use VLC to this day on Linux because it's still as great as it ever was. I'm gonna have to install something to play videos, why wouldn't it be VLC?

ho_schi

3 months ago

Yep.

VLC was not important on Linux. Because we have ffmpeg as foundation, used by mplayer and nowadays mpv. The later is my recommendation. Whether on the tty (awesome!) or on Wayland. If you prefer a native Gtk an interface is available, named Celluloid. In all these cases mpv is mighty, reliable, fits into the environment with a frugal interface.

We’ve also players based on gstreamer but ffmpeg is more reliable.

But the need for a reliable player on Windows, Android, macOS, iOS and tvOS is big. Because their default players suck. VLC comes with an awkward UI and the weird built-in stuff for SMB. But from a 2001 point-of-view it makes sense, LAN-parties are nice and back then they were everywhere. And Windows doesn’t support WebDAV well.

My favorite is mpv. But I’m still tankful that I’ve one usable player in my iPhone.

PS: VLC also uses ffmpeg?

1bpp

3 months ago

Yeah, ffmpeg's libav is responsible for its famed codec support.

wiether

3 months ago

As a Windows user, I never used VLC because I didn't like its UI and not having the "click to pause" was a big issue when you control a media center with a mouse.

So I used Media Player Classic without any issues for years.

When I moved to Linux Desktop, it came with VLC so I tried and forced me to use that damn "space to pause". But half my videos had issues playing. Being in KDE, I switched to Haruna. It's ugly, but I can play anything without issues... and I can "click to pause"!

racked

3 months ago

Have you tried SMPlayer? It's a lot like MPC

wiether

3 months ago

Never heard about it before, I'll have a look; thanks!

K3UL

3 months ago

I might be wrong but I think the guys at VLC are still very important contributors to ffmpeg, which is still a big deal. They also (kinda recently) developed some really low latency tech for streaming called Kyber So bottomline the player might not be used that much (although on mobile the app is very popular still) but the tech they develop for it, is

lkramer

3 months ago

I don't know, I still have issues with the default media player in Ubuntu not working for either video or sound. I'm sure it's solvable, but it's easier to just install VLC, so that's what I do.

rnewme

3 months ago

> I’m not sure what VLC brings to the table nowadays Lack of backdoors?

DANmode

3 months ago

So, the same value-add as always!

leoh

3 months ago

Agreed except I have no idea what Jean-Baptiste actually does besides trying to run his little startup Khyber

Thaxll

3 months ago

Default player sucks and MPV is close to impossible to compile yourself. VLC is still a good solution on Linux.

mikkupikku

3 months ago

Wtf, mpv is extremely easy to build yourself, with or without the mpv-build scripts. You just need to install the dependencies first, which is table stakes for building almost anything.

Anyway, you should be able to install both VLC and mpv from your distro's repo, assuming your distro isn't weird. Building mpv is only something you'd do if you're hacking on it or need a bleeding edge build for some reason.