mikkupikku
3 months ago
Imagine having these sort of warrants hanging over your head and just casually deciding to do a little international traveling. Guys like this are constantly getting nabbed this way. I wonder if being a wanted man for so long has some sort of psychological effect that makes people take more risks to get it over with.
irjustin
3 months ago
I imagine the general assumption is that you don't realize that you've been ID'ed. That they traveled before and nothing happened so traveling again isn't a big deal because all the "tricks" they used to cover their tracks worked.
Gibbon1
3 months ago
Friend of mine has a story from 50 years ago. Guy he knew was dealing coke. Got spooked and stopped selling. Three years later he thought it'd all blown over. Set up a another deal and got popped.
Another friend that worked IT at a slaughter house said one of the bikers that worked their said, the feds aren't good at figuring you out. But when they do they never stop watching you.
matwood
3 months ago
There’s knowing something and building a case to prove it in court. With drugs in particular the police tend want the higher up people so will watch the others for a long time.
manquer
3 months ago
I would imagine that is lot more likely that is just only the official story rather than what actually happens behind the scenes in these situations.
In the background there could be deals with the countries protecting them or with the target directly or a existing deal they had is off now. It may even be unrelated, wasn't worth expending the diplomatic capital before, but they are a connection to someone else more important and so on.
It could also be the targets were captured in a illegal way, no country wants to be diplomatically humiliated and the prosecuting one wouldn't want to disclose their covert ops capabilities.
Announced News is more often only a Press Release, we shouldn't be taking them literally.
which
3 months ago
Relatedly about another member of the same group:
> Penchukov’s political connections helped him evade prosecution by Ukrainian cybercrime investigators for many years. The late son of former Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych (Victor Yanukovych Jr.) would serve as godfather to Tank’s daughter Miloslava... Sources briefed on the investigation into Penchukov said that in 2010 — at a time when the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) was preparing to serve search warrants on Tank and his crew — Tank received a tip that the SBU was coming to raid his home.
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/11/top-zeus-botnet-suspect-...
_zoltan_
3 months ago
if you read the article it links to an Italian supreme court summary that apparently states he has lost his appeal to not get extradited, so after that it shouldn't have been a surprise that... he was extradited.
manquer
3 months ago
Lost his final appeal would fall under deal with the resident country category I imagine
My observation was in response to GP wondering why do they such criminals caught frequently, not specifically about this case.
ribosometronome
3 months ago
>captured in a illegal way
Tracked down in an illegal way? Sure, quite possibly. But he's going to get a trial. If he were kidnapped out of Italy by the CIA or something, it seems like it would be hard to keep that from coming out.
aswegs8
3 months ago
Why should the CIA need to kidnap someone from Italy if they can just provide info about the person to the Italian govt so he gets arrested and extradited?
serallak
3 months ago
Well about that ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case
This is well know case of a "person of interest" kidnapped by the CIA in Milano, Italy. While the CIA was assisted by the Italian Intelligence, it was a completely illegal operation, without any due process or judiciary oversight.
rasz
3 months ago
Because Italy has a history of siding with terrorists and letting them go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achille_Lauro_hijacking#Jurisd...
"Following a deal made with Yasser Arafat with Giulio Andreotti[25] even before the Craxi government had made its final decision, Abbas and Badrakkan, wearing unidentified uniforms, had been put back on the EgyptAir 737 airliner."
Cthulhu_
3 months ago
If the CIA is involved it wouldn't be any regular criminal, but e.g. an international spy, someone who may even be protected by Italy for ??? reasons.
hnbad
3 months ago
Sure but "not a regular criminal" is a much broader group than you make it out to be.
Remember the CIA was also the primary actor involved in the US's overseas bombing attacks, especially outside active war zones. Sure, a lot of the bombings targeted "terrorists" but that designation is ultimately arbitrary - especially if we're talking about people being killed in bombings of civilian areas that usually came with a lot of collateral damage (especially if you don't use the assumption that anyone who may have been a teenage or adult male is an enemy combatant), a practice that we would identify as "terrorism" if carried out by any hostile regime.
He doesn't seem to have big enough of a target on his back to justify outright exploding him but that doesn't mean he's considered a "regular criminal" or that the CIA wasn't involved.
That said, Occam's razor suggests it didn't require CIA involvement to catch him - he may just have been careless and unlucky.
stefantalpalaru
3 months ago
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manquer
3 months ago
I wasn't talking about this specific case.
It was about general statement by the parent on how these criminals can be so be dumb, i was enumerating some of the different ways it can happen behind the scenes and still be annouced as a simple arrest at the airport etc.
slightwinder
3 months ago
There could be errors happening outside their control. Planes are sometimes rerouted to different countries for different reasons, but mainly weather-related. I've heard stories of travel agencies f**ing up travel planes because of wrong data, and people suing them because of unexcepted stops. Or the good old "they planned for Australia, but ended in Austria"-story. Happens far too often.. There are many targets where people confuse a city or country with a different target.
reisse
3 months ago
From the other point of view, the abundance of stories when the high-profile criminal was catched doing something stupid, and the relative absence of ones when the criminal was catched in some clever way may mean the law enforcement is doing their job poorly.
Polizeiposaune
3 months ago
Operation Flagship in 1985 was one of the clever ones -- US marshalls nabbed 101 wanted fugitives on a single day at a stadium, where they were expecting to receive two free tickets to an NFL game...
ghostpepper
3 months ago
This must have been the inspiration for the Simpsons bit where the police set up a sting by offering a free boat giveaway
technothrasher
3 months ago
I recall an old episode of "COPS" from years ago where they showed an ongoing sting they had where they called people with warrants and told them they'd won a big screen TV and to come down to the warehouse to get it.
letmetweakit
3 months ago
How do you invite the fugitives to such an event? If you know how to reach them you can probably arrest them no?
4gotunameagain
3 months ago
The article mentions:
..mail invitations to the last known addresses of approximately 3,000 wanted persons.
It is presumably much more efficient and effective use of resources to try and gather them in the same place, than individually surveilling 3,000 houses.rtsil
3 months ago
> For the marshals, arresting fugitives while away from home was significantly safer as they are often caught unarmed and off-guard.
Forgeties79
3 months ago
> At least half of the 3,309 fugitives arrested in FIST VII were later released on bail
Lmfao god bless America right?
That reminds me of one of my favorite lines in one of my favorite movies, Thank You for Smoking. seriously if you are reading this and have not watched it, stop what you’re doing and go watch it right now.
Nick Naylor’s (a tobacco lobbyist) son asks, “dad, why is America the greatest country in the world?” Nick is reading something, doesn’t look up and takes a slight beat to think about it, then just calmly responds, “our endless appeal system.”
That movie is unbelievable. I know out of context that line just seems like edge lord nonsense, but Aaron Eckhardt (sp?) just sells it so hard.
toyg
3 months ago
> our endless appeal system
Mr Naylor's clearly never got involved with Italian justice, where the average criminal trial takes 4 and a half years as it goes through 3 judgement levels (the first sentence alone is likely to take more than a year). By law, a "reasonable" process is expected to take up to 6 years.
As far as I can see, most criminal cases in the US are completed in less than a year.
Forgeties79
3 months ago
Yes and no. It reeeally depends on the nature/scale of the crime and the kind of defense they can mount (I.e. can they afford excellent lawyers/have deep pockets).
cwillu
3 months ago
I'm curious what you think “released on bail” means?
Aurornis
3 months ago
What’s confusing about it?
Bail is typically only granted to those who are not deemed substantial flight risks. Capturing fugitives and then turning around and releasing them on bail is ironic.
user
3 months ago
jojobas
3 months ago
Released to the general population with monitoring measures often inadequate to prevent disappearance or guarantee court appearances.
Forgeties79
3 months ago
That’s a really poorly obscured way of saying “you don’t know what that means.”
I know what posting bail means. I don’t need to explain it to you to prove it. I was just chuckling about TYFS at the end of the day.
cbsmith
3 months ago
s/catched/caught/g
tobyjsullivan
3 months ago
Hypothetically, how would someone know there was a warrant out for their arrest in another country? That doesn’t seem like public information.
I figure most cyber criminals assume they are untraceable until they get arrested.
flatiron
3 months ago
I got a speeding ticket in Colorado on a business trip and later moved clients and thought to myself “meh I just won’t pay it I won’t be back to Colorado any time soon” and I was stopping entering the country on a trip from the Caribbean for “outstanding warrants”. If I can get stopped for that they should know if they have real criminal charges to not play around.
monerozcash
3 months ago
In this particular case the person arrested had been very publicly indicted years ago and was most certainly aware.
mito88
3 months ago
interpol
cwillu
3 months ago
Is “interpol” public information?
monerozcash
3 months ago
There are many sellers on .ru language darknet forums offering Interpol and Schengen information system lookups. In many countries every single police officer has access to this, it's not very hard to corrupt one person when the only requirement is that they be any police officer.
int0x29
3 months ago
If you have friends in the FSB, yes.
anonym29
3 months ago
Italian and Greek airports: the bane of otherwise untouchable slavic cybercriminals since 1994
lofaszvanitt
3 months ago
Just look at the profile pics of these people and you'll get the answer. They like to show bling, have a perceived invulnerability shield around them, and like to spend the ill gotten gains.
chc4
3 months ago
The human brain is just really bad at evaluating risk, especially over long periods of time. A lot of people are wanted overseas for years or even decades without anything happening, which makes it hard to maintain the mindset of being at risk without falling back to "eh, I've been fine this long"; a lot of them do foreign travel anyway and get away with it, which makes it hard to not fall into "what's one more vacation to a extradition-friendly country".
pnw
3 months ago
When you're living in the Russian-occupied part of Ukraine (Donetsk), I can see why you might run that risk.
anonym29
3 months ago
This was a Ukranian national, not a Russian.
dragonwriter
3 months ago
Yes and the sealed indictment from 2012 was unsealed in 2014, the same year as the Russian invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, which was also the direct trigger for Ukraine switching from a non-aligned position to seeking very close cooperation from the US.
I can very easily see how home in both the narrow regional and broad national sense could have become quite risky for a number of reasons for him from 2014 on.
hunterpayne
3 months ago
152mm artillery shells don't care what your passport says.
user
3 months ago
dbancajas
3 months ago
How can you ID these guys if they get a new passport. Changed hairstyle and do some surgery to the face?
kevin_thibedeau
3 months ago
The US doesn't protect the data broker industry for nothing. Unless you go no contact with your entire past life, they'll connect the dots.
normie3000
3 months ago
Their name and date of birth?
Cthulhu_
3 months ago
With enough contacts and corrupt government officials those can be changed.
Of course, there's also biometrics - since 9/11 especially the US takes your photo and fingerprint when you try to enter the country. Only a matter of time before DNA is added (honestly surprised it's not a thing yet).
johnQdeveloper
3 months ago
> Sources close to the investigation say Yuriy Igorevich Rybtsov, a 41-year-old from the Russia-controlled city of Donetsk, Ukraine
I don't think it was casual traveling but getting out of a wartorn country.