Learning from failure to tackle hard problems

125 pointsposted 3 months ago
by djoldman

28 Comments

axus

3 months ago

The most important clue to solving a difficult problem is knowing that somebody else has already solved it.

Nevermark

3 months ago

I worked on a problem for a couple months once. As soon as my professor hit mid-sentence telling me he found someone with the solution, I rudely blurted it out.

My mind was so familiar with all the constraints, all I had to know was that there was a solution and I knew exactly where it had to be.

But before knowing there was a solution I hadn't realized that.

LPisGood

3 months ago

I had a professor in an additive combinatorics class that would (when appropriate) say “hint: it’s easy” and as silly as it is, it usually helped a lot.

mcmoor

3 months ago

Hint as simple as that feels like spoiler sometimes.

baxtr

3 months ago

The problem is time and resources.

Take building a viable company. You know that many people have solved this. But you also know that 9/10 fail.

So you need the time and the money to try enough times to make it work.

shermantanktop

3 months ago

You're describing bruteforcing through repetition. The paper is essentially about increasing the chance of success by training model which learns on failure.

That may not apply to a building a viable company directly. It might suggest that new companies should avoid replicating elements of failed companies.

djdjdhdh

3 months ago

9/10 vc backed companies fail. Not "companies." Ignore the hype and you'll be more likely to succeed.

stonemetal12

3 months ago

As far as I am aware it is 8/10 across the broader landscape. A little better, but not much.

fhuteedc

3 months ago

Twice as likely to succeed is not insignificant. It's a lot better chance to succeed. You're being led to by folks who want to make you their slave.

https://clarifycapital.com/blog/what-percentage-of-businesse...

That 80% number is after 20 years. That's far longer than almost anyone stays at the same employer. Maybe if those failures are the owners retiring.

You're being lied to. The myths of silicon Valley are not there for the benefit of founders.

truelson

3 months ago

The 4 minute mile comes to mind

paulorlando

3 months ago

While Bannister’s 4-minute mile record is used as an example of a psychological barrier, there’s also a reinterpretation of the meaning behind his record. Before his 1954 race, the record for the mile stood at just over 4 minutes (4:01.4) for 9 years. While speed records were set during WWII, they were all set by Swedish runners (Sweden being neutral in the war). The record today, which has stood since 1999, is 3:43.13. It's not a round number, so as a result gets less attention. Maybe that's why we don't think of it as a psychological barrier.

mcmoor

3 months ago

Reminds me of barriers in speedrunning. Technically all the times are arbitrary, but there's still prestige to be the first person to get under <nice number>. I don't think it really influences the speed of record breaking around it, except that time when there's literally a bounty raised.

NooneAtAll3

3 months ago

so it's all a question of marketing

343 is 7 cubed, so just call it "cube barrier!" and it becomes a worthy challenge

chrisXOXO

3 months ago

That idea feels really relevant to me as a future research direction(not an expert). Could maybe someone explain what I am missing here? Why does this idea not get more attention?! Is it not new? And if so, could one state why it is not commonly employed?

abtinf

3 months ago

> The [goal] of machine learning research is to [do better than humans at] theorem proving, algorithmic problem solving, and drug discovery.

Naively, one of those things is not like the others.

When I run into things like this, I just stop reading. My assumption is that a keyword is being thrown in for grant purposes. Who knows what other aspects of reality have been subordinated to politics by the writer.

dgacmu

3 months ago

These have all been stated as goals by various machine learning research efforts. And -- they're actually all examples in which a better search heuristic through an absolutely massive configuration space is helpful.

captainclam

3 months ago

You must not end up reading much scientific literature then.

LinuxAmbulance

3 months ago

What's the issue with drug discovery? AI/ML assisted drug discovery is one of the better examples of successful AI utilization out there.

richard___

3 months ago

How does this compare to just reducing the likelihood of negative samples?

user

3 months ago

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qqxufo

3 months ago

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stuffn

3 months ago

AI post with emdashes removed.

Clearly didn't send the article to the LLM.

dennisy

3 months ago

Is this related to the article?

nalllar

3 months ago

qqxufo's recent posts read like a large langle mangle to me

glompers

3 months ago

Not to me. This post in question could be easily expanded into a recognizable Paul Graham essay and no one would bat an eye.