Brett_Riverboat
14 hours ago
For those who care at the first setup screen instead of answering any of the questions press Shift + F10
CMD will open
Type (no quotes) “net user Prefferedusername /add” (replacing Prefferedusername with the user name you wish to use) and press enter.
Next type “net localgroup administrators Prefferedusername /add” and press enter.
Next type “net user Prefferedusername /active:yes” and press enter.
Next type “net user Prefferedusername /expires:never” and press enter.
Next type “net user administrator /active:no” and press enter.
Next type “net user defaultUser0 /delete” (this is case sensitive make sure the "U" is capitalized) and press enter.
Next type "regedit" and press enter.
This opens registry editor, navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE"
Delete "DefaultAccountAction", "DefaultAccountSAMName", and "DefaultAccountSID"
Right click on "LaunchUserOOBE" and rename it to "SkipMachineOOBE" and make sure the value is set to "1".
Close registry editor and type "shutdown /r /t 0"
saghm
13 hours ago
I guess I'm old and out of touch after only a bit over three decades, because I can't figure out why this would helpful to have as a video in the first place over the text summary you posted here. I could see screenshots maybe being slightly helpful, but to having this sort of thing as a video feels like an extreme inconvenience; I'd much rather see all of it at once and be able to visually scan (or even better, ctrl+f) to find specific parts over having to scrub around if I wanted to go back to a previous part or skip ahead. My eyes also don't require any sort of manual timing to pause on something I want to copy.
ryandrake
12 hours ago
It's telling that most of the responses to this question center around why the YouTube video creator would want to make a video instead of a simple text description, not what the OP asked: why the user would want to intake the information by way of video.
Says a lot about what is broken, incentive-wise, about the modern Internet.
NoPicklez
5 hours ago
How so? People like to learn in various ways, some people like to read, other people like to inspect someone else doing it in real time.
I don't see an issue with there being multiple ways to learn how to do something, whether it be textual, images or video.
For this type of thing having a video running in the background while I punch in the commands makes sense, I can perform the actions at the same time the video does.
raydev
7 hours ago
I think it says more about most people not wanting to bother to read.
Modern social media has only succeeded by moving away from text, and meeting the masses where they already are. They mostly don't want to read.
ab5tract
6 hours ago
Definitely there has been a shift towards video content.
But I think there is a discoverability dynamic at play as well. Finding a blog post that isn’t garbage can be harder than finding a decent video on any given topic. This is clearly a feedback loop towards video but I think partly this is because up until now you couldn’t just create a spam video channel with the same ease that you could a spam blog.
dylan604
13 hours ago
Videos get higher rankings in Google's search. Remember those?
Definitely says something about your age though complaining about video versions of anything. Kids today don't even know what Google's search page looks like. They search in YouTube, TikTok type apps first. Since the location bar has also become the search bar while theGoogs pays browsers to be the default search, lots of people are not even aware they are doing a google search.
Also, some people will try things that are technically above their abilities normally. Having a video typing the commands in can be easier for them to replicate as it'll look just like the video. Text only from some webpage won't have those visual clues.
I much prefer text for this stuff too, but at least I can understand why something else is preferred by someone not me. I might be elder, but I'm not obstinate
saghm
12 hours ago
Your argument basically boils down to "kids don't know any better than to use something else than what's pushed on them by the tech conglomerates or be aware that screenshots are a thing". I'm not claiming that there can't possibly be a reason that videos might work better for some people, but I don't think you've made a particularly strong case that you understand their mindset rather than judging them under the guise of claiming that I was the one doing that.
Supermancho
2 hours ago
> Your argument basically boils down to "kids don't know any better than to use something else than what's pushed on them by the tech conglomerates or be aware that screenshots are a thing".
Not an argument. It's an explanation. Stop with the antagonism.
dylan604
12 hours ago
No, you're old man yells at clouds with the entire comment. Someone likes something you don't prefer, and want to share that with the internet. That's great, but you have to know that someone will call you out on it.
Some people like blue, some people like red. Some people like audiobooks, some prefer reading actual books. Some people like to go to movie theaters, some prefer to wait for the movie to watch at home. Some people like cilantro.
The internet is a big place. There's room for multiple ways of skinning the cat without preventing any of the other ways.
15155
11 hours ago
Video format is objectively lower bandwidth (information-density-wise) than text regardless of age.
Yeul
7 hours ago
That assumes that how young people use the internet is inherently better than how we use it.
I can get the same information only without the ads and parasocial relationships with content creators. Not making anyone money!
ycombinete
12 hours ago
This was a good comment until it suddenly became bizarrely insulting in the last paragraph.
dylan604
12 hours ago
I don't feel I was insulting at all. If you feel obstinate is an insulting word I really don't know how to respond as anything else will probably feel as an attack on you now. I guess I could have said non-empathetic, but we're not talking about feelings so much as valid reasons someone prefers A over B.
gspencley
12 hours ago
I share your bias, but something to consider is the prevalence of smart phone usage these days, and the fact that reading text on a smart phone can be as awful as trying to watch a video on a desktop when all you want is a quick text summary.
I've always hated the trend of moving towards video as well. But if my desktop was currently in the process of installing the operating system, leaving me without a web browser, and all I have is my phone as a secondary device ... I might actually prefer watching a quick video over trying to read text on a tiny screen and having to pinch zoom and horizontal scroll. Of course this depends a lot on how the text is presented, but in general I think video is easier to absorb on a phone and text is easier to skim / read / zoom / copy-paste on a desktop.
SpaceNoodled
11 hours ago
Reading a brief article on a smartphone is far less tedious than having to squint at details in a miniscule video.
If you can't read normal text on a phone screen, consider corrective lenses.
scuff3d
11 hours ago
I think non-technical people, who may have literally never seen a commandline, like seeing someone walk through it (and probably explain context along the way). Helps ensure them they are doing the correct things.
pas
11 hours ago
I've seen probably too many terminals, but a video that actually demonstrates things (when to press the keys, for how long, what's the expected response from the installer, and so on, and so on) seems super helpful and easy to follow! (Even if it's worse in many regards, like terseness, accessibility for blind people, and so on.)
scuff3d
10 hours ago
Agreed. Also people tend to add a lot of context when they're talking through a process. That often gets left out when writing.
I've written docs at work intended for non (or less) technical people and it's a pain in the ass to try and get screenshots of expected inputs/outputs, try to predict every question or misunderstanding and make the writing clear. There has been more than a few times I wished I could just record a video.
Galanwe
12 hours ago
> I can't figure out why this would helpful to have as a video in the first place over the text summary you posted here
For the creator: videos can be monetized trivially
For the search: YouTube results are often highlighted top of the page on Google search results.
duxup
13 hours ago
Youtube creators want to cover this, youtube is their chosen path, so video it is.
Not so much about the best way to communicate as much as the creators see it as their best option, for them.
I've seen a lot of tutorials that really just seem to be infotainment / social media news. Often forgetting critical steps and describing why you do a thing incorrectly. It's frustrating.
moate
13 hours ago
Exactly this. If I have 100,000 followers on YT for my software related content, why wouldn't I use that platform to post my content? Some people are also visual more visual learners and while straight text is helpful, having a trusted source going screen by screen/prompt by prompt and comparing to their machine is helpful.
So it's both content and communication preferences. HN is a self-selecting group of a certain type, but not everyone on the planet thinks like the average HN dude
dylan604
12 hours ago
Just yesterday there was a post to one of Geerling's pages where he posts the transcript to a video he's made. He could have just made a text blog and not spent the extra effort of making a video, but that's not what he does. Instead, he went the extra step to make the content available in text only. He could have just as easily left it as video only. (yes yes, creating a text only transcript of video in today's world is trivial, but an extra step nonetheless as it still needs to be added to his CMS to make the webpage)
NoPicklez
an hour ago
> I guess I'm out and out of touch
I don't know why this is being put in this "I guess I'm old" bucket. Its just another form of content and a different way of following something. Perhaps if they put the text commands in the video description you would get the best of both worlds.
I like both, but following along watching someone else is helpful. YouTube tutorials on how to do things are extremely helpful.
If you find the video an inconvenience, just don't use it.
Brett_Riverboat
12 hours ago
My guess is some of the better videos will post the text in the description and some folks are very visual and need to be able to reference an image or video.
But that aside I appreciate the compliment (or at least I'm going to take it as a compliment).
ratelimitsteve
12 hours ago
it's easier to monetize a video, and if this information is going to have value and be presented for free there has to be someone giving someone money somewhere.
dylan604
12 hours ago
Suggesting someone can make money off of their efforts that doesn't cost the viewer/reader anything directly is one thing, but to suggest nobody anywhere ever posts anything to the internet without the expectation of monetizing it is just totally ignoring how the internet was started.
conartist6
14 hours ago
Take it down before Windows is ruined for everyone! Show not the devil's commands! All hail our Lord and Savior, constant surveillance without consent!
xd1936
14 hours ago
There's that Microsoft UX we know and love!
esbeeb
14 hours ago
People complain about how they hate to use the command line in Linux. But they don't similarly complain about these ultra obscure, ugly commands. When Microsoft necessitates commands, somehow it's different.
vpShane
11 hours ago
I learned bash and then needed to use powershell once later down the road; that was.. that was bad.
Not bad for me, was actually great for me because now I just main Linux; but powershell, while I get it... don't do that to people.
nonethewiser
13 hours ago
Do people complain about that? Like, life long windows/mac users who aren't interested in linux I guess? I always thought people loved being able to do everything from the command line.
dylan604
12 hours ago
> People complain about how they hate to use the command line in Linux
They do? How else does one use Linux if not via CLI? You mean those kiddies that like GNOME/KDE? pfffft, they're not "using" Linux. They're just using Linux to run other apps no different than using a ChromeBook
1718627440
4 hours ago
Unless you are somehow manually issuing syscalls, you aren't "using" Linux either. I guess you mostly use GNU/Linux.
imiric
4 hours ago
... Or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
eighthourblink
6 hours ago
hmmm, news to me.
i thought i used Linux all these years, but i guess i dont.
antisthenes
13 hours ago
You didn't have to use to do this to your OS when Windows was still good.
It's only the absolute shitfest that Win 10/11 ended up being that you have to conjure 300 arcane powershell commands just to get the OS to resemble a productive environment.
broast
13 hours ago
I think every single Windows release has necessitated some registry hacks to bring back useful features from the previous version
antisthenes
13 hours ago
Yes, but more and more every version.
Especially true since they ended the service pack model. Continuous updates and hostile feature pushing is absolute cancer.
mcintyre1994
13 hours ago
You're not supposed to do this, this is to get around a restriction on installing Windows 11 on certain hardware. If your computer is supported and you install it the way Microsoft wants you to, then you won't be typing any commands anywhere.
greensoap
13 hours ago
Generally curious, I don't see anything about hardware. Isn't this is about making a login that doesn't require you to login to MS's cloud. Also, what HW restriction does Microsoft want? Why do they care?
mcintyre1994
11 hours ago
Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0, that's the actual reason a massive number of PCs can't update to it. There's apparently some way you can hack around that and install it. I assumed that's what these videos were about. But from the reddit post it looks like it's talking about both that and the account login issue which I wasn't familiar with.
> including how to install Windows 11 without logging into a Microsoft account and how to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware.
4ggr0
12 hours ago
> If your computer is supported
That's not really the use-case for this. It's not possible anymore to use Windows with a local account (for a long time), the official UI only lets you login with a Microsoft Account. These commands are not used to install Windows on an unsupported PC, they're being used to create a local-only account.
I for one still got a Windows boot partition next to my Linux, but I refuse to create an account for it. The only way I can install Windows on my supported PC with a local account is by using these commands.
You used to be able to just press a small button. Then you had to disconnect the LAN cable and not connect a WLAN to create a local account. Then you had to open the Commandline and execute a single command. Now we're at the point where you have to execute multiple commands.
If they actually manage to make it impossible to use Windows local-only, that will truly be the nail in the coffin for me. Currently use Windows to play games which aren't supported on Linux, but this will turn into a hate_for_online_forcing > appreciation_for_kernel_level_anticheat_shitgames.
mikkupikku
13 hours ago
> You're not supposed to do this,
Clearly. You're not supposed to own your computer, you're supposed to be a docile loyal rentoid.
larrik
13 hours ago
"Linux is too hard for people"
Yeul
6 hours ago
Modifying Windows is something I've been doing for decades. Yes it is infinitely easier than learning a new OS.
mcintyre1994
14 hours ago
To play devil's advocate, I'm guessing if you can get users to type stuff they don't understand into cmd and regedit then you can do some pretty damaging stuff. I can see why google would be concerned about malicious versions of these videos being posted, and being difficult to differentiate quickly from ones with the legitimate instructions.
Or if those malicious videos were posted and reported, then I can see why a fairly dumb AI system would see the similar legitimate ones as the same thing. Probably a particularly bad scenario for automated moderation.
antiloper
13 hours ago
Then maybe Microsoft should add a "Use local account" checkbox to the installation screen.
notyourwork
13 hours ago
Google is here to protect Microsoft OS users? Where do we draw the line on what Google (owner of Youtube) is responsible for.
mcintyre1994
13 hours ago
I'm guessing that they take down videos that give you instructions that install malicious scripts etc, if they're reported. I don't know for sure, but that seems likely to be against their rules. And I'd guess that most of those would target Windows. Obviously they're not responsible for it, but I'm guessing they don't allow it and would remove it if it's reported.
jpalawaga
13 hours ago
So you'd advocate for github to remove any install script that users wget + curl, and any documentation references that instruct users to wget + curl? That's much worse than a handful of limited commands in which you're modifying your own user account.
1718627440
4 hours ago
It is easier to understand what a command does, than to derive how it is called from first principles.
AlexandrB
13 hours ago
What you're describing applies to just about every programming tutorial out there.
nonethewiser
13 hours ago
>To play devil's advocate, I'm guessing if you can get users to type stuff they don't understand into cmd and regedit then you can do some pretty damaging stuff
Are you just playing devils advocate or do you actually believe this?
ceejayoz
13 hours ago
In the early 2000s a newbie to our forums got computer advice to do something nasty to their BIOS. Months later they came back incandescent with anger. It happens.
cwillu
7 hours ago
And? Is your answer to “some people gave malicious advice on the internet” _really_ to outlaw giving _any_ advice on the internet?
ceejayoz
3 hours ago
No?
The poster upthread asserted it doesn't happen; I'm saying it does. I didn't propose a solution, and your proposal is clearly not acceptable.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos
11 hours ago
I believe you can convince people to hit Alt+F4 for the cheat menu in a video game and they will do it. Actually I think I told people that is how to votekick someone in BF1942 when they are being a dick (me). I believe you can tell people to delete system32 and they will do it. I believe you can tell people to do more damaging things and they will. I still think people should be able to say and do those things.
antiloper
13 hours ago
ChatGPT is smarter than you
dylan604
12 hours ago
I had a friend that would allow her kids to watch YT videos. One day they were watching a video in my backseat as we were driving where I could hear the audio. The person was trying to tell the kids how to get free stuff for some game or other. The instructions provided had my jaw in my lap. This was years ago so I don't remember the exact details, but it was straight up instructions for installing malware.
cwillu
7 hours ago
What's your point? It's surely not that giving instructions should be banned because it's possible to give malicious instructions, is it?
dylan604
an hour ago
The point is that it wasn't just possible, they flat out were giving malicious instructions. Not sure why there's resistance when we all know there's shit like this on YT. I'm not asking anyone to remove it or ban it or report it. I'm just retelling the story of the first time I heard something so blatant that my jaw dropped on this not being some random story from the internet. It was just shocking the first time I experienced it. There's nothing to be done other than try to inform others it happens, especially when it's someone/a parent that doesn't know what it means.
totetsu
13 hours ago
So setting up windows is just like what I studied for that redhat cert now.
OptionOfT
8 hours ago
And this actually makes sure that the folder in `C:\Users\<username>` matches your username and does not become `firstname000` like Microsoft does.
anticensor
6 hours ago
> Next type “net user administrator /active:no” and press enter.
> Next type “net user defaultUser0 /delete” (this is case sensitive make sure the "U" is capitalized) and press enter.
Why do we have to delete them?
Brett_Riverboat
5 hours ago
defaultUser0 is used by windows for the OOBE if you don't delete it along with the registry keys it will just boot back to the OOBE again. defaultUser0 gets removed by the OOBE after setup leaving your system vulnerable. The administrator account is a built in account that is disabled by default but won't be disabled if you completely bypass the OOBE or don't use the old local account setup which you no longer can do because of microsofts removal of the feature.
yohbho
8 hours ago
Good guide, thanks!
präferiert (dt.) is often pronounced praefferiert in my head, too, but it is always written with only one f, in german and in english.
auguzanellato
8 hours ago
Do people actually do this instead of just switching to linux?
I thought Windows was the "user friendly" choice
lelanthran
12 hours ago
What is the singular goal of doing all that? Avoid online-only accounts?
1718627440
4 hours ago
Has Microsoft removed the option to disable Microsoft Accounts via the Group Policy Editor?
mrguyorama
10 hours ago
I have a microsoft account. I made it for Windows Live to play Halo 2 for Windows Vista back in the day.
Except, then Microsoft adjusted their account infrastructure, and now it's also an Xbox Live account. Then it became also a Windows Messenger account. Then it was required to login to Visual Studio. Then it ate my perfectly working Mojang account. Now I need it to install stuff from the Windows store like the damn Windows debugger you use to analyze BSOD dump files
I do not want my computer preferences saved across machines. I want to set up each computer separately. I do not want cortana. I do not want to connect my local computer to my account.
I gain nothing by using my microsoft account to log in to my local computer.
The singular goal is that I just want to use my damn computer, to do local computer things.
kirb
5 hours ago
Note: A Microsoft account isn’t required to download free apps from the Store, it works fully without extra prompts on a local account. (I like that it works this way, because it means you can install Firefox on a fresh install of Windows without even once opening Edge.)
dingaling
7 hours ago
Windows will never succeed on the desktop if it relies on arcane CLI configuration...
spacechild1
12 hours ago
This is ridiculous! I'm still on Windows 10 Pro without a Microsoft Account. Back then I had to jump some hoops, but it wasn't that bad. Seems like they really doubled down with Windows 11.
mapcars
13 hours ago
Upvoting before it gets deleted /sarcasm
nonethewiser
13 hours ago
What does this accomplish?
Brett_Riverboat
13 hours ago
gets you a local account
chkaloon
14 hours ago
LAN Manager legacy still hanging around after 40+(?) years
Brett_Riverboat
11 hours ago
A few typos were brought to my attention in my previous comment and as the time frame to edit it has passed I am replying with the required edits so that if anyone does want to attempt this they don't have to wonder what went wrong
I originally had “ net user Prefferedusername/active:yes” but there should have been no space before "net" and I should have put a space before the "/" after prefferedusername.
so the corrected instructions are below. (hopefully without typos this time)
at the first setup screen instead of answering any of the questions press Shift + F10
CMD will open
Type (no quotes) “net user Prefferedusername /add” (replacing Prefferedusername with the user name you wish to use) and press enter.
Next type “net localgroup administrators Prefferedusername /add” and press enter.
Next type “net user Prefferedusername /active:yes” and press enter.
Next type “net user Prefferedusername /expires:never” and press enter.
Next type “net user administrator /active:no” and press enter.
Next type “net user defaultUser0 /delete” (this is case sensitive make sure the "U" is capitalized) and press enter.
Next type "regedit" and press enter.
This opens registry editor, navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE"
Delete "DefaultAccountAction", "DefaultAccountSAMName", and "DefaultAccountSID"
Right click on "LaunchUserOOBE" and rename it to "SkipMachineOOBE" and make sure the value is set to "1".
Close registry editor and type "shutdown /r /t 0"