davisr
13 hours ago
If you think this kind of reporting is cool, you should donate to https://fair.org.
Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) has been exposing two-faced news for decades. They are worthy of your attention.
jonas21
12 hours ago
FAIR has its own biases, and these can be quite strong (have a glance at the studies on their website and judge for yourself).
IMO, the Columbia Journalism Review (https://www.cjr.org) is a better source for media criticism.
senderista
11 hours ago
FAIR has always been like this since the 80s. I don't really expect these media watchdogs to be "neutral" though; it's enough that they only call out bias against their favored positions. If there are enough such orgs across the spectrum then they serve their purpose.
mmooss
8 hours ago
Also Nieman Lab: https://www.niemanlab.org/
Press Gazette (UK): https://pressgazette.co.uk/
A great daily aggregator (with links to more) is Mediagazer: https://mediagazer.com/
metabagel
11 hours ago
Also, Poynter.
pestat0m
10 hours ago
"Your browser is out of date. Update your browser to view this site properly."
it always makes me sad when i see this. you are not reaching your target audience. fyi this seems to be a cloudflare thing. i see it everywhere. The World Wide Web seems to be going down a dark path. perhaps i do need to update my browser, but why should that matter for just reading a news site. it's like someone wants you to not have access unless you buy a new macbook(or maybe a chromebook). maybe i should just install Chrome already? i just feel like this Big Tech has crossed the line with their customers a long time ago at this point.
btw, fair.org looks interesting. i never heard of them before. Thanks!
PaulDavisThe1st
3 hours ago
Works fine here, firefox/linux with ublock origin
metabagel
10 hours ago
Works for me on Firefox / MacOS
boston_clone
9 hours ago
does it similarly make you sad if your operating system tells you to update for new security patches or indicators?
the sheer volume of browser exploits - including in-the-wild exploited zero-click zero days - is frankly insane. intentionally leaving yourself unprotected is a bad choice that should be shoved back in your face, often.
> i see it everywhere.
i see it nowhere. update your software! and don't use chrome.
heavyset_go
5 hours ago
That's just the generic Cloudflare blocking warning. You can use an up to date browser and if they decide to block you, you will see that message.
boston_clone
2 hours ago
could you reference something from cloudflare to substantiate that?
heavyset_go
2 hours ago
Browse the web with Tor via an up-to-date Firefox. You will run into this page over and over again. Speaking from experience, don't feel like looking it up on CF's docs.
edit: Just ran into the same page on Chromium 141.0.7390.122 without Tor or a VPN, but with NoScript, JShelter, and uBlock extensions enabled. It looks like JShelter + NoScript can trigger it.
This is the page you get:
> Your browser is out of date. Update your browser to view this site properly.
> Click here for more information
The last line links here: https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-challenges/#bro...
Suggests to me if certain challenges fail, or give results in a certain distribution, you'll see that page.
Disabling JShelter and allowing JS lets me use the site properly.
fsckboy
8 hours ago
they were not informing him of an insecurity.
and software monoculture is widely considered a security threat, and so by pushing software monoculture, you yourself are pushing to weaken internet security. GP should potentially be applauded (if he's not using for example IE6)
boston_clone
2 hours ago
i’m genuinely fascinated by your thought process here.
how did we go from “update your software; don’t use chrome” to “you are pushing software monoculture and weakening internet security”?
as for “they were not informing him of an insecurity”, this seems to be deliberately obtuse. virtually every major browser includes (and references in their release notes!) fixes for vulnerabilities in stable version updates.
next_xibalba
11 hours ago
Oof, took a glance. Pretty bad. Many of their study headlines scream bias and spin. Pretty wild given their name and declared mission.
davisr
11 hours ago
Please, do explain to everyone what you think is biased about it, and why.
ecshafer
11 hours ago
Their headlines include lines about marching against fascists and calling people toadies. This would indicate their bias is rather left.
davisr
11 hours ago
How do you believe their reporting differs from reality? They're writing about rising authoritarianism and those who submit to it, which is a fact of the world happening today. They use the term "toady" in its literal definition. FAIR has anti-bias and counter-spin, aka "a bias towards reality."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toady (noun) : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors : sycophant
cjaybo
9 hours ago
Everyone thinks they have “a bias towards reality”. I have yet to see this actually be true!
Everyone has biases, whether conscious or unconscious, and trying to claim otherwise is a massive red flag on its own IMO.
ares623
9 hours ago
ok fine. i prefer a bias towards not enslaving and/or eliminating an entire population because of religious/racial/cultural differences.
goatlover
6 hours ago
Is this an argument for sophistry or propaganda? Everyone having biases doesn't preclude people from rightly pointing out bad things in the world, like creeping authoritarianism and the undermining of democracies, anymore than it did in the lead up to WW2.
ecshafer
11 hours ago
I've never seen Manhattan Institute, Hudson Institute, or Cato Institute using the term Toady even if technically correct. It is a term almost exclusively used by the left, typically more anti-authoritarian. Maybe you have some libertarian types using it as well.
magicalist
6 hours ago
> It is a term almost exclusively used by the left
What a strange claim.
If you search the sites you cite, all of them have at least one use of "toady" or "toadies" (which only gets a few hits on fair.org as well). Meanwhile go check the national review and they seem to love the word. Maybe recheck your priors.
efnx
10 hours ago
It would be used by the right too, if they weren’t toadies.
vlovich123
10 hours ago
Why would right-wing leaning think tanks be complaining about right wing authoritarianism they’re in favor of? You’d expect them to trot out this verbiage if a populist left wing politician with authoritarian vibes came to power.
oh_my_goodness
3 hours ago
It's not quite that simple, or at least not yet. For example the Cato Institute still seems inclined pretty much towards the rule of law and against autocracy. Perhaps "Yarvin-ists" are in power, but they don't control every voice on the right.
bpt3
8 hours ago
You can identify and complain about right wing (or left wing) authoritarianism without hurling insults.
A publication failing to do so is a key indication of bias in a specific direction.
goatlover
6 hours ago
Would you say the bias was rather left if this was the 1930s?
hobs
11 hours ago
Really we're all just interested in what your line for calling a person a fascist is, and what you would call the folks who did this?
"When the Pentagon announced that reporters would only be credentialed if they pledged not to report on documents not expressly released by official press handlers, free press advocates, including FAIR (9/23/25), denounced the directive as an assault on the First Amendment.
The impact of this rule cannot be understated—any reporter agreeing to such terms is essentially a deputized public relations lackey."
If you can't write with basic clarity because that makes your progressive, you might want to investigate your own bias.
next_xibalba
10 hours ago
Yeah, my line for calling someone fascist is not “restricting reporters access to the Pentagon”. It cheapens the word and all that it represents.
There is a wide gulf between writing with basic clarity and injecting opinions like “so and so is a toady”. I would love to see media outlets attempt to describe just the facts with as little opinion as possible. FAIR clearly does not meet that bar.
Larrikin
8 hours ago
In what scenario does a fascist not restrict freedom of the press as one of their steps?
next_xibalba
8 hours ago
It is a necessary but not sufficient condition. But this is not that. This is, “you don’t have unfettered access to personnel and facilities.” Fascism would be “if you print that we will arrest you and maybe shut your operation down.” And maybe a paramilitary squad of goons will fire bomb your offices in the meantime. This will read as snark, but I swear it is not: read about the truly fascist regimes of history. The difference is night and day.
oh_my_goodness
3 hours ago
We've all read about them. The key lesson in every one of those stories is this: don't wait for the entire building to burn down before you pull a fire alarm.
hobs
3 hours ago
It doesn't read as snark, it reads as a god of the gaps argument from all the people wishing we weren't doing what we are doing.
dragonwriter
8 hours ago
I mean, if the ground truth was that fascism did not exist and no people were toadies, sure.
OTOH, posting something that only makes sense in that context in 2025 would indicate a bias that is rather Right.
DonHopkins
8 hours ago
So you're admitting that the right is fascist.
We already knew that, but it's so nice of you to admit it.
next_xibalba
11 hours ago
We don’t even need to label their bias as right or left. Titles like those are blatantly opinionated. So it gives the appearance of “opinionated news is good, so long as the opinions are correct.” Reminds me of Fox News’ “fair and balanced” slogan. Which, hey, that’s a view some may appreciate. But to then call yourself FAIR and claim you’re some kind of neutral media watchdog seems misleading.
slg
10 hours ago
>So it gives the appearance of “opinionated news is good, so long as the opinions are correct.”
All news is opinionated news and some opinions are objectively better than others. For example, the simple act of choosing which story to cover is an opinionated choice and if a news outlet decided to cover a random high school teacher the same way they cover the POTUS, that would be an objectively incorrect editorial opinion.
thesmtsolver
4 hours ago
Real objectivity would be like BBC calling terrorists “militants”.
next_xibalba
10 hours ago
Your understanding of the word objective differs markedly from my own.
I don’t disagree with the general spirit of what you mean. But I would love to see news outlets, and so called watch dogs, pursue the unobtainable dream of objectivity and neutrality over all others. Calling people toadies and democratically elected administrations “fascists” falls far, far short of that dream.
slg
9 hours ago
Some people are of the opinion that the world is flat, I would say it's objectively round. That is the context in which I'm using that word. I'm not using it to describe 100% consensus, because there will always be someone who disagrees with something.
News without opinion is objectively impossible because the act of reporting the news is inherently governed by an opinion on what is worthy to report. Pretending otherwise is just pulling the wool over your own eyes.
mrguyorama
9 hours ago
Except, the news calling, for example, Bush Jr a "War criminal" is exactly objective.
His Casus Belli was false, and he knew that. We invaded sovereign countries illegally.
Would you read news that openly called him a war criminal? Reality gets extreme all the time. If you police the language more than the reality, you are just making the problem worse. You are forcing people to pretend reality isn't so bad just so you do not have to fix reality.
Guess what? Reality is bad right now. We are bombing boats off the coast of south America and posturing like we are going to war with them and bailing out Argentina because of political rhetoric and affiliations and corruption, and we wasted over $150 billion harassing brown people and sending American citizens to foreign prisons and maybe catching a few people who overstayed their visas or walked over our border.
And yet you tone police the people trying to inform you of that.
bpt3
8 hours ago
Was GW Bush convicted of any war crimes? If not, then he isn't a war criminal.
You can argue that he should be, and I probably would agree with you, but an organization supposedly dedicated to unearthing biases in the media should not inject their opinions into their own reporting.
dragonwriter
8 hours ago
> Was GW Bush convicted of any war crimes? If not, then he isn't a war criminal.
No, if he wasn't convicted, he is not a convict and a government grounded in the rule of law cannot treat him as a criminal.
Conviction doesn't retroactively create the crime.
slg
8 hours ago
That is a silly standard. Hitler was never convicted of war crimes, would you object to someone calling him a war criminal?
bpt3
7 hours ago
I would say that an organization that needs to be highly objective should not call him one.
They can certainly point out that he was the leader of a group that was systematically killing millions of people with physical or cultural attributes he deemed undesirable and people will reach the same obvious conclusion about him.
slg
7 hours ago
> They can certainly point out that he was the leader of a group that was systematically killing millions of people with physical or cultural attributes he deemed undesirable and people will reach the same obvious conclusion about him.
How do you know this?
bpt3
7 hours ago
Because of thousands upon thousands of documented accounts from eyewitnesses and participants?
I'm aware of what you're trying to do, but there is a difference between stating a generally accepted fact that has a tiny faction of dissenters (e.g. the earth is round) and something that is not and is therefore considered an opinion.
slg
7 hours ago
>Because of thousands upon thousands of documented accounts from eyewitnesses and participants?
Then why can't you accept the "thousands upon thousands of documented accounts from eyewitnesses and participants" of him committing war crimes?
>I'm aware of what you're trying to do, but there is a difference between stating a generally accepted fact that has a tiny faction of dissenters (e.g. the earth is round) and something that is not and is therefore considered an opinion.
I think war crimes are bad. There is no "fact" involved in that statement, it is purely a value judgment and therefore an opinion. Yet I think it is inarguably a better opinion than believing that war crimes are good. Would you disagree?
bpt3
2 hours ago
Because the definition of a war criminal is something who was convicted of a war crime, not being accused of committing them or observed doing something that could be considered one.
You can't fact check opinions, no matter how morally superior they are to another one, so I don't know what your point is there.
goatlover
6 hours ago
Or they could just say Hitler committed war crimes but killed himself before he could be put on trail. Because that's what he did. It's not an opinion.
agnokapathetic
11 hours ago
the institution of democracy should not require a neutral point of view.
ratelimitsteve
10 hours ago
it makes him look bad
8ig8
11 hours ago
pyuser583
2 hours ago
Fair has its own issues - or did last I checked which was a while ago.
They used to claim reporters were biased towards the right. That used to be a left-wing claim, but it’s no longer credible. Something like 90% of reporters are left-wing.
Maybe they’ve reformed, and aren’t in the business of providing partisan talking points anymore.
kridsdale3
12 hours ago
And now that Zuck has nuked Facebook AI Research org, they get their acronymic exclusivity back.
BeetleB
12 hours ago
I second that. When I was a news junkie, I would love reading their (occasional) posts.
Glad they're still around.