palmotea
3 months ago
> Microsoft's solution is a move to Teams, which the company says "offers modern meeting experiences."
"Modern" is becoming a tech euphemism for regression.
supportengineer
3 months ago
I used to say "follow the money", now it's more like "follow the promo" because of today's promo-driven culture.
Gormo
3 months ago
"Modern" in my mind has come to mean:
* Designed at the highest possible level, on top of multiple layers of frameworks, libraries, and dependencies that the developers do not fully understand.
* Full of anti-patterns that implicate privacy and security in a variety of ways.
* Designed as a walled garden, offering hobbled interoperability with other solutions, while attempting to vertically integrate features better implemented elsewhere -- or, in some cases, the exact opposite: designed as an excessively minimal solution, leaving concerns that should be addressed within its own scope unhandled.
* Unlikely to be viable for long-term deployment due to high time sensitivity in its dependencies; correspondingly fragile in ways that aren't fully accounted for.
* Built with a UI adhering to no coherent design patterns, targeting the presumed ability limits of people who will never likely use the product, while being wholly insufficient for those who actually do.
* Released prematurely with half-implemented features, unmitigated bugs, and incomplete documentation.
* Overhyped to the point that the majority of public discussion about the project consists of vague, unverifiable bullshit.
palmotea
3 months ago
> "Modern" in my mind has come to mean:
In my mind it's even simpler: an attempt to confuse newness and trendiness with goodness to mask the smell of shit.
The truth is a modern turd is still a turd.
giancarlostoro
3 months ago
They only took uh... 6 years to finally let you move the annoying bar when you're screen sharing, which always gets in the damn way of either a browser tab you need, or hitting Debug in Visual Studio. Drove me to hatred of Teams.
I also really hate that "Teams" within Teams don't have normal text channels like Slack or Discord, they're forums. I can't stand this design choice and refuse to use it.
It's such a frustrating app where the bar to entry was insanely low. I do like their office integration, but its like, well you couldn't have butchered that up.
ngrilly
3 months ago
I've never seen a "normal" user not confused by the difference between Teams's teams and Teams's channels (where every "channel" belongs to a "team"). I'm pretty sure that's reason #1 why most users use only group chats and never use channels. They simply don't understand how it works because it's too confusing.
ffsm8
3 months ago
If you click on that bar and press ctr-w it goes away without stopping the sharing.
That was a mind blown for me when someone told me about that... Not sure how anyone found out about it, I man wouldn't anyone expect that to... Stop sharing too?
rectang
3 months ago
> Teams don't have normal text channels like Slack or Discord, they're forums
If you can get notifications sorted out and allow notification on creation of a topic but not on messages within a topic, I really like this choice.
The plague of Slack is constant pings in a channel that you need to need to monitor and thus can't mute, thanks to participants who refuse to start a thread and insist on having extended conversations in the root of the channel. Forcing thread/topic creation solves that problem.
user
3 months ago
bob1029
3 months ago
Teams was an unmitigated dumpster fire during its first ~4 years of existence, but I'd argue it's quite reasonable now. This is my favorite feature:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/join-a-microsoft-...
I really miss this in places like Discord.
RajT88
3 months ago
Teams is better than Skype or Lync.
Is it better than Slack? Unclear.
It is better than it used to be. Assuming you have noticed it acting weird and restarted it as many as 3 times until all the updates have been applied.