palmotea
6 hours ago
> Microsoft's solution is a move to Teams, which the company says "offers modern meeting experiences."
"Modern" is becoming a tech euphemism for regression.
supportengineer
5 hours ago
I used to say "follow the money", now it's more like "follow the promo" because of today's promo-driven culture.
Gormo
3 hours ago
"Modern" in my mind has come to mean:
* Designed at the highest possible level, on top of multiple layers of frameworks, libraries, and dependencies that the developers do not fully understand.
* Full of anti-patterns that implicate privacy and security in a variety of ways.
* Designed as a walled garden, offering hobbled interoperability with other solutions, while attempting to vertically integrate features better implemented elsewhere -- or, in some cases, the exact opposite: designed as an excessively minimal solution, leaving concerns that should be addressed within its own scope unhandled.
* Unlikely to be viable for long-term deployment due to high time sensitivity in its dependencies; correspondingly fragile in ways that aren't fully accounted for.
* Built with a UI adhering to no coherent design patterns, targeting the presumed ability limits of people who will never likely use the product, while being wholly insufficient for those who actually do.
* Released prematurely with half-implemented features, unmitigated bugs, and incomplete documentation.
* Overhyped to the point that the majority of public discussion about the project consists of vague, unverifiable bullshit.
palmotea
2 hours ago
> "Modern" in my mind has come to mean:
In my mind it's even simpler: an attempt to confuse newness and trendiness with goodness to mask the smell of shit.
The truth is a modern turd is still a turd.
giancarlostoro
6 hours ago
They only took uh... 6 years to finally let you move the annoying bar when you're screen sharing, which always gets in the damn way of either a browser tab you need, or hitting Debug in Visual Studio. Drove me to hatred of Teams.
I also really hate that "Teams" within Teams don't have normal text channels like Slack or Discord, they're forums. I can't stand this design choice and refuse to use it.
It's such a frustrating app where the bar to entry was insanely low. I do like their office integration, but its like, well you couldn't have butchered that up.
ngrilly
5 hours ago
I've never seen a "normal" user not confused by the difference between Teams's teams and Teams's channels (where every "channel" belongs to a "team"). I'm pretty sure that's reason #1 why most users use only group chats and never use channels. They simply don't understand how it works because it's too confusing.
ffsm8
5 hours ago
If you click on that bar and press ctr-w it goes away without stopping the sharing.
That was a mind blown for me when someone told me about that... Not sure how anyone found out about it, I man wouldn't anyone expect that to... Stop sharing too?
rectang
5 hours ago
> Teams don't have normal text channels like Slack or Discord, they're forums
If you can get notifications sorted out and allow notification on creation of a topic but not on messages within a topic, I really like this choice.
The plague of Slack is constant pings in a channel that you need to need to monitor and thus can't mute, thanks to participants who refuse to start a thread and insist on having extended conversations in the root of the channel. Forcing thread/topic creation solves that problem.
bob1029
3 hours ago
Teams was an unmitigated dumpster fire during its first ~4 years of existence, but I'd argue it's quite reasonable now. This is my favorite feature:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/join-a-microsoft-...
I really miss this in places like Discord.
user
6 hours ago