rootusrootus
16 hours ago
I am surprised that I should be surprised. Aren't mosquitoes a well known nuisance in Greenland, which despite the name is colder than Iceland? I would have expected that mosquitos in Iceland were also entirely normal. TIL.
j_bum
16 hours ago
This travel blog was posted a bit ago on HN [0]. Much of the nature of Greenland was a shock for me to learn about, including the severe mosquitos.
[0] https://matduggan.com/greenland-is-a-beautiful-nightmare/
ljf
13 hours ago
Midges and mosquitos are different things. And biting midges have only been in Iceland for 10 years or so.
https://www.icelandreview.com/news/iceland-marks-ten-years-o...
ant6n
13 hours ago
somenameforme
15 hours ago
Siberia is also known to have just extremely brutal mosquito seasons. Turns out even -40C isn't enough to do away with the little persistent blood suckers.
telchior
6 hours ago
I've read that there are tribes who spent a month or more at the peak of biting insect season hiding in their tents and filling them with smoke. The bugs swarm so thickly that they can kill cows. Not by biting them to death, but by clogging their nostrils until the cow suffocates.
mmmBacon
13 hours ago
Not surprising at all to me after several summer trips to interior Alaska. The mosquitoes are so thick that you inhale them sometimes; which is so disgusting. I slathered myself in Deet (the only thing that works) and was mostly ok. Even then they find every square mm that you missed. I sat down for 30 minutes on a bench leaning forward talking to some people. My shirt pulled up about 1/2” (12mm). Later I counted 137 bites (some had merged due to swelling) across that strip of exposed flesh!
steve_adams_86
11 hours ago
Interior British Columbia sounds similar. I used to work in the forest and they were so persistent, invasive, and aggressive. You had to just stop caring because they were relentless and virtually unstoppable. They'd end up in your clothing, in your hair, your nose, mouth... Sometimes the itch was so severe it burned.
I don't miss that. It usually peaked and calmed down with the season, but if it was warm enough they were always around.
kgeist
14 hours ago
From what I know, Siberia's mosquitoes are even more brutal than those in the more temperate regions of Russia, and there are far more of them. Iceland's lack of mosquitoes doesn't seem to be due to the cold itself; something else must be at play. Iceland's average winter temperate is around -1C.
EasyMark
7 hours ago
Much shorter breeding season so maybe evolutionary selection made them even more aggressive than the typical US swamp mosquito. The worst I've ever encountered here in Texas some kind of deer fly, and they're tough and bloodthirstily agressive. I have backhanded them 20ft and they come back for more.
jb1991
15 hours ago
And Alaska.
HowardStark
14 hours ago
Nothing killed my dream of a private island in Alaska quite so fast as elephant mosquitoes[0]
gruez
14 hours ago
>Tx. rutilus feeding behaviors make them strikingly different from a typical mosquito. Both adult males and females are strictly nectar-feeding and so they do not have a role in the transmission of pathogens to animals as in other mosquitoes.[7] Instead, their larvae are predacious and could potentially help curb the spread of diseases via vector mosquitoes. While they commonly prey on copepods, rotifers, ostracods, and chironomids, they also generally have a preference for certain species of mosquito larvae including common disease vectors such as Aedes albopictus, Aedes aegypti, and Aedes polynesiensis.
what's the issue?
capitainenemo
14 hours ago
The wikipedia article you linked to says that the adults of that species feed only on nectar and do not suck blood.
dredmorbius
9 hours ago
... and have a range largely in the south-eastern United States.
Which isn't quite where Alaska is located.
capitainenemo
8 hours ago
Good point. I wonder if they'd heard about huge mosquitoes up north and just looked for first wikipedia article about large mosquitoes.
Maybe they were thinking of this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culiseta_alaskaensis
This one had a large size and was a blood sucker, but wrong side of the continent again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psorophora_ciliata
mike978
13 hours ago
In my experience Black flies[1] and no-see-ums[2] are far worse (not counting mosquitoes born disease). It's like a massive angry cloud of micro horseflies that intend to dismember you bite by bite.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_fly [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceratopogonidae
nealabq
8 hours ago
The Blackfly song has it right then? Thank you National Film Board of Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f389hIxZAOc
mike978
6 hours ago
Pretty much - although after living with it for 4 year I can report it's often worse. =) The local bookstore gave a discount for the first bite of the season if you lived long enough to collect.
capitainenemo
11 hours ago
FWIW black flies are also disease carriers.
nkurz
8 hours ago
While technically true, I think that's in tropical Africa. Are there also diseases that they carry in North America? Even without disease, I tend to agree with the OP that black flies are worse than mosquitoes, and don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting a disease from a black fly bite in the US or Canada.
capitainenemo
8 hours ago
You're mostly correct, but apparently not totally :) - I did think that it was further north, but the human cases are usually only in south and central america and africa. Nonetheless, there are some.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4809994/ (human cases in the US - but is primarily in animals)
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/poultry/bloodborne-organisms-... (birds only, but still north american disease)
There's also an allergic reaction apparently due to large numbers of bites called simuliotoxicosis / black fly fever.
There's also this mysterious one in europe. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7920075/
Aaaand there's this site claiming possible encephalitis transmission, although I kinda feel I'd prefer a better cite than that. https://www.mosquitomagnet.com/resources/faq-black-fly-other...
mike978
10 hours ago
Yeah, they can, I was just commenting on the physical experience as to which insects would keep me away from the northern latitudes.
noselasd
15 hours ago
Iceland does have a lot of gnats, midges, flies etc. that are just as big a nusance.
IncreasePosts
16 hours ago
Greenland is pretty close to the main body of North America, they would only need to traverse 30 miles of water to get there. Whereas Iceland is about 200 miles from the closest point in Greenland.
fluoridation
15 hours ago
Not sure Ellesmere Island counts as part of the main body of NA. If you exclude the Northern edge of Greenland, which also the most hostile I would assume, Greenland is about as close to NA as to Iceland.
ant6n
13 hours ago
Actually there’s a land border between Canada and Greenland.