People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

192 pointsposted 4 days ago
by 8bitsrule

54 Comments

RodgerTheGreat

10 hours ago

For the sake of the patients, I hope there's a better long-term service plan than Second Sight Medical Products had:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_retinal_prosthesis

hyghjiyhu

40 minutes ago

The way I would solve that is by requiring that any software / documentation required for the operation, maintenance and repair of medical implants must be stored with some appropriate government body. If the company becomes unwilling or unable to service the product the information is made public.

lta

3 hours ago

Free software is more important than ever

devinprater

2 hours ago

Accessibility of free software is more important than ever.

pxc

16 minutes ago

The freedom of users of accessibility software is more important than ever.

Blind people in my family rely on proprietary software for dealing with visual impairments. It's painful and offensive how exploitative these tools often are. The thought of installing something by a similar company into one's body is frankly dystopian.

tjpnz

3 hours ago

As is regulation of medical devices.

pikuseru

3 hours ago

Free healthcare as well

BolexNOLA

an hour ago

I can’t imagine going through all that, having your sight somewhat restored, and then quickly losing it because of lack of support by a private company. It reads like a sob story/sidequest from cyberpunk 2077

stavros

5 hours ago

Sir, this is a Capitalism.

frumplestlatz

5 hours ago

Well, yes. Capitalism is why the product could even be developed in the first place, and also why it ended the way it did.

OJFord

4 hours ago

It's not the only imaginable way, but it is the society we (in the vast majority of the world) live in, and I agree it doesn't really make sense to bash something not continuing to exist unprofitably when it was developed for profit.

It's annoying when software support ends for anything, phones, Nest Protect, (any Google product!), but I think best to bear it in mind in buying anything that it's a possibility, who are you relying on for what and what's their incentive to keep going.

crote

an hour ago

The problem is that companies are deliberately kneecapping their products by making cloud subscriptions mandatory and third-party repairs impossible. Refusing out-of-warranty repairs or discontinuing cloud services for obsolete products because it is no longer profitable wouldn't be such a big deal if third-party providers were able to replace OEM support.

Traditionally, if I buy a $500 dishwasher, the OEM is responsible for repairs under warranty. When the warranty lapses it'll still keep working perfectly fine, and if something breaks I can go to one of a dozen repair shops in my local area. Same if the manufacturer goes bankrupt: it'll keep working, and I can still get it repaired.

These days, if I buy a $500 tech product, it can turn into an expensive brick literally the next day, and there's nothing I could do about it. Even worse, it can happen because the OEM feels like it, not just because they went bankrupt! The fact that I own and possess the product has become completely meaningless, its fate is permanently in the hands of the manufacturer.

Somehow we've ended up with all the downsides of renting/leasing, and all the costs of purchasing. It'll only get worse unless we start punishing companies for behaving like this.

wiz21c

2 hours ago

Except when these guys pays millions in marketing to make you believe you can rely on them. If at least they would just say nothing instead of propagating their distorted vision.

XorNot

an hour ago

The mixed market economy is how most of the productive world operates, with varying degrees of mixed. Laissez-faire capitalism has led to disaster time and time again, but even the US is not that system (far from it - arguably China is closer by many metrics).

It is a reasonable argument for the regulatory state though - which is to say, delays to market from regulation could have reasonable origins - like requiring sustainment plans when you're going to do human implants which aren't removable. With the obvious counter-balance that the government and by extension the taxpayer should take on some of the risk if they truly want "rapid to market" development.

felixhummel

2 hours ago

They should call it Kiroshi. ;) For real though: The cyberpunk dystopia of hackable [1] eye gear is something to think and talk about.

[1]: In both senses of the word.

hoppp

an hour ago

Yup, I thought the same. Cyborgs!

lynx97

5 hours ago

A bit of a tengent, but... For those worrying about their eyesight when getting older... If you are into FLOSS, one last defense against your eyes failing when you get older is actually to contribute to accessibility before you (hopefully never) end up needing it.

Disclaimer: I am blind myself.

inglor_cz

3 hours ago

What do you think about the recent "People with blindness" obsession, as evidenced in the title?

I am not blind nor deaf etc., but I am frankly fed up with it. In my case, should I call myself "a person with programming, Czechness and fortysomething years"?

Nope, I am a middle-aged Czech programmer. Yes, that does not reflect my entire personality and humanity. So what. Better than this sort of language abuse.

542458

2 hours ago

I’d argue that a plain-English reading is actually the other way around. A “person with a car” is a normal descriptor, a “car person” is somebody for whom cars are a major life fixture. So accordingly I feel that “blind person” makes it more… conclusive? all encompassing? than “person with blindness”.

luckylion

an hour ago

"blind" isn't a noun though. "a noun person" is what you mentioned, but "an adjective person" is different. A tall person isn't all about their height, they're just way above average in height. "A person with tallness" would emphasize the height aspect in a strange way.

pcthrowaway

an hour ago

To tag onto this, how do you feel about using "blind" in the figurative sense? Like "People born with various kinds of privilege are often blind to the ways they subtly benefit from that privilege on a daily basis"

lynx97

an hour ago

Well, it's not always nice to realize that your condition is casually used as a negative conotation in everyday language. OTOH, there are worse things in life, so I mostly blink and move on... There are other hills to die on.

squigz

16 minutes ago

> What do you think about the recent "People with blindness" obsession, as evidenced in the title?

Is there really an "obsession"? Also, while I don't deny there's some discussion here, I think you really have to squint to read the title in such a way.

In any case, I ... really don't care. As another commenter says, there are other, bigger, more important hills to die on than getting worked up about people trying to be more inclusive with their language.

Does it take anything away from me or minimize my disability when I'm referred to as a "blind person" vs a "person with blindness"? Not at all. So why does it matter?

And to be honest, I've never once met a blind person (or autistic person) who actually cares about this type of wording. I think this is one of those battles being fought by the extremes on either side, and it's frustrating and exhausting for everyone else, because it's a distraction from the real issues. And you can see this right in this comment!

> I am not blind nor deaf etc., but I am frankly fed up with it.

You're "frankly fed up" with something that barely affects you at all. Why?

lynx97

an hour ago

Since you ask... I am find as long as blind is actually used. I dont particular care about the order of words. However, what I absolutely despise and truely hate is this "visually challenged" nonesense from the leftist language police.

lynx97

44 minutes ago

Nah, its only perceived as a slur by language police people with little stakes in the actual game. And, the slur thing is definitely not an US only phenomenon. In the german speaking area where I dwell, the youth use "spast" as a general derogatory term for everyone they dont like or perceive as "below" them. That is definitely a slur that went rogue.

lynx97

35 minutes ago

Ahh, and to the language police people who downvote my POV: You are the problem. Stop patronising us.

wizzwizz4

2 hours ago

It shortcuts the American tendency to turn all disability-related nouns into slurs. (I found out a few weeks ago that "deaf-mute" is a slur in the States.) That's the major advantage, as far as I can tell.

kingkawn

an hour ago

Deaf-mute is not a slur in the US

wizzwizz4

41 minutes ago

Wikipedia says it is, citing the National Association of the Deaf's Community and Culture FAQ (among others). If you have sources that say otherwise, that suggests a NPOV issue with the "Deaf-mute" Wikipedia article.

bigstrat2003

25 minutes ago

Wikipedia is dead wrong. I have never, ever, even in the most obscure context, heard it used as a slur.

wizzwizz4

15 minutes ago

Neither have I – but Wikipedia also cites the OED (paywalled, so I can't confirm this). If the OED really says that deaf-mute is used as a slur, then I believe it. Again, if you have positive evidence that deaf-mute is not used as a slur, then please correct the Wikipedia article.

cjaackie

11 hours ago

The one thing I maybe missed, is there anything that can be done to reduce the risk of developing Age-Related Macular Degeneration?

MathMonkeyMan

11 hours ago

I don't know, probably not. My dad has wet macular degeneration, and it's treated with injections into the eyeball every few months. The treatment works well, but timing the injections is tricky. Too often and the side-effects become significant. Not often enough and you can get a retinal bleed, which my dad did. Fortunately he regained most of the vision lost in the bleed, and now they've increased the frequency of the injections. He'd probably be blind by now without them. Not to mention the cataract surgery and the glaucoma...

It isn't carrots.

kspacewalk2

2 hours ago

Sadly I think this may be a worldwide tendency. Source: was a child in the 90s in Eastern Europe.

knifie_spoonie

11 hours ago

Wearing sunglasses apparently helps. You just need to make sure they have a proper UV rating, a lot of the cheap ones you get online don't do a good job of blocking UV.

jwrallie

10 hours ago

Years ago I saw on TV a report where people bought several sunglasses sold in the street in Brazil and compared to the expensive brands and they all cut UV quite effectively.

Not that I would trust national TV test methodologies and risk my vision but it was a curious result.

czl

10 hours ago

Those that fail to block uv can leave your eyes exposed to more UV than if you were not wearing any sun glasses.

ghostpepper

10 hours ago

My layperson understanding is this happens because the mechanism that dilates the pupil responds to visible light so glasses cause it to open wider, but if they don’t block UV then you end up with more UV exposure than if you didn’t wear anything

adrianN

8 hours ago

I find that surprising since most plastics you would make glasses from should block uv.

sigmoid10

7 hours ago

Most plastics are transparent to UVA, which is like 90% of UV that reaches earth's surface. They only start absorbing at higher UV frequencies. That's why sunglasses have dedicated UV ratings. You can bring your sunglasses to basically any optometrist and test how well they block UV. It takes 20 seconds and they'll probably do it for free.

adrianN

5 hours ago

That makes sense, thanks.

pk-protect-ai

5 hours ago

Glass protects from UV bellow 350nm, which leaves 350nm-400nm band open. So additional coating is required. I might be wrong but such factors as glass thickness and the radiation intensity should be also accounted for. Every physical object is mostly an empty space ...

terminalshort

2 hours ago

Visual range goes to 380. I'm skeptical that light at 350 is really doing much damage to my eyes.

jasfi

9 hours ago

Lutein may prevent or slow it. It's the best general eye supplement I've found too.

zachrip

7 hours ago

I was prescribed vit a palmitate, lutein, and DHA. The vit prescribed was a high dose, like 10k iu per day. I cut back on that dose, I'm going blind but I also need to consider my general health. I have ushers syndrome, not md, but it's a retinal disease (retinitis pigmentosa).

To be clear, this is prescribed as a "we can't do anything else for you" thing, since there is no cure for RP. This may or may not actually help.

jasfi

an hour ago

Sorry to hear that. Given that it's genetic only something like Crispr could perhaps one day help.

snthd

4 hours ago

Don't smoke.

hollerith

8 hours ago

Eat astaxanthin, lycopene, lutein or similar yellow, orange and red pigments that plants use to protect themselves from sunlight.

ImHereToVote

8 hours ago

Stop producing AGE's. Stop eating sugar.

Advanced glycation end-product proteins or lipids that become glycated as a result of exposure to sugars

firecall

10 hours ago

Just like Geordi La Forge!

Star Trek TNG is here!