jakebasile
4 months ago
I miss when gaming in general was less mainstream and more weird like this. Now the silicon manufacturers hate that they even have to sell us their scraps, let alone spend time on making unique designs for their boxes.
I bought a small press book with a collection of this art and it was a fun little trip down memory lane, as I’ve owned some of the hardware (boxes) depicted in it.
For anyone else interested: https://lockbooks.net/pages/overclocked-launch
pjc50
4 months ago
> I miss when gaming in general was less mainstream and more weird like this.
To me, this is a continuum with the box art of early games, where because the graphics themselves were pretty limited the box art had to be fabulous. Get someone like Roger Dean to paint a picture for the imagination. https://www.rogerdean.com/
The peak of this was the Maplin electronics catalogue: https://70s-sci-fi-art.ghost.io/1980s-maplin-catalogues/ ; the Radio Shack of UK electronics hobbyists, now gone entirely. Did they need to have cool art on the catalogue? No. Was it awesome? Yes.
pavlov
4 months ago
This great interview with Roger Dean about his career in games was recently posted:
https://spillhistorie.no/2025/10/03/legends-of-the-games-ind...
Turns out that the Psygnosis developers in the 1980s used him as a kind of single-shot concept artist. They would commission the box art first, then use that as inspiration for designing the actual game to go inside the box.
Gud
4 months ago
Reminds me of the Anderson Bruford Wakeman & Howe 12” cover:
https://row.rarevinyl.com/products/anderson-bruford-wakeman-...
rsynnott
4 months ago
Huh. I hadn't actually realised Maplin was gone entirely. They closed in Ireland a while back, but I put that down to a general trend of marginal UK high-street retailers (Argos etc) pulling out of Ireland, but still existing in some form in the UK.
Weird shop; they never really got rid of any stock that was even theoretically useable, so it was at least partially a museum of outdated gadgets.
Gigachad
4 months ago
On the plus side, PC gaming hardware seems to last ages now. I built my gaming desktop in 2020, I had a look lately at what a reasonable modern mid tier setup is and they are still recommending a lot of the parts I have. So I'll probably keep using it all for another 5 years then.
MaxikCZ
4 months ago
Its a double edge sword. Yes, back then 2 year old computer was old, but at the same time every 2 years a new generation of games came out that were like never seen before. Each generation was a massive step-up.
Today, a layman couldnt chronologically sort CoD games from past 10 years from looks/play/feel, new Fifa and similar is _the_ same game but with new teams added to it, and virtually every game made is a "copycat with their own twist" with almost 0 technical invention.
Gigachad
4 months ago
This is fine? Today’s games look beautiful and developers are hardly restricted by hardware. Games can innovate on content, stories, and experiences rather than on technology.
Feels similar to how painting hasn’t had any revolution in new paints available.
zamadatix
4 months ago
It's not a one-or-the-other. One wouldn't want content, stories, and experiences to stagnate just because graphics were improving, so why would the opposite be assumed?
standardly
4 months ago
> "copycat with their own twist" with almost 0 technical invention.
I think he meant the software side (game-systems wise), not hardware innovation
boppo1
4 months ago
AAA games suck compared to 10 years ago though.
Discordian93
4 months ago
I disagree, AAA games started nosediving with the seventh generation 20 years ago and only recently have they started to tentatively show signs of recovery.
opan
4 months ago
Do you have any examples in mind from each era? I thought Fallout 3 was quite good around back then. Today we've got stuff like Borderlands 4 (or whatever the newest one is) that barely run on anyone's PC, and general game install size has also shot up drastically so it's no longer really feasible to keep most of your games installed all the time and ready to play.
I mostly play indie/retro/slightly-old games these days, so I mostly hear of the negatives for modern AAA, admittedly. I'm also tempted to complain about live service, microtransactions, gacha, season passes, and so on in recent big releases, but maybe that would be getting off-topic.
SSLy
4 months ago
> Today we've got stuff like Borderlands 4 (or whatever the newest one is) that barely run on anyone's PC
Just like Crysis did 18 years ago?
>it's no longer really feasible to keep most of your games installed all the time and ready to play.
Crysis was around 5% of common HDD back then. Now, it'd be equivalent of around 80 GiB now. That would be just about what Elden Ring with the DLC takes.
justsomehnguy
4 months ago
Yes, thanks, I don't need "technical invention" in the form of more shaders for hiding the ass quality of the gameplay. Mirror's Edge Catalyst still looks great despite being almost 10 y.o. and manages to bring 2080Ti on it's knees in FullHD+.
brokenmachine
4 months ago
But your stuff from 2020 probably isn't AI "enhanced"!! Throw it in the garbage!
pjc50
4 months ago
I was planning on hanging on to my Win10 PC, which was perfectly fine except that Microsoft were both pestering me to upgrade and telling me it wasn't possible, but the death of its SSD after 7 years put paid to that.
arethuza
4 months ago
I have a PC that is probably at least 10 years old but works perfectly well for browsing, spreadsheets and the occasional lightweight game but MS has decided, in its infinite wisdom, to say that it can't be upgraded to Windows 11.
So I will probably install Linux (probably Debian) and move on and forget about those particular games... (~30 years since I first installed Linux on a PC!).
khedoros1
4 months ago
I've got a computer that I built in 2008 and upgraded in 2012. It's pretty solid for higher-requirement games up until about 2015, and can still handle lower-requirement indie stuff today.
I built its successor in 2020, using a GPU from 2017. The longevity of the PS4 has given that thing serious legs, and I haven't seen the need to upgrade yet. It still runs what I want to run. It's also the first post-DOS x86/64 machine I've owned that has never had Windows installed.
opan
4 months ago
What sort of lightweight games? Nethack? Solitaire?
arethuza
4 months ago
World of Tanks...
SkiFire13
4 months ago
Sounds like a plus to me.
fennecbutt
4 months ago
I still have a 1080ti which does swimmingly. There just aren't enough AAA/"AAAA" games coming out that I care to play. Oblivion remaster almost tempted me into upgrading but I couldn't justify it just for a single game.
The only reason I'd upgrade is to improve performance for AI stuff.
crote
4 months ago
On the other hand, you're also stuck with design mistakes for ages.
The AM5 platform is quite lacking when it comes to PCIe lanes - especially once you take USB4 into account. I'm hoping my current setup from 2019 survives until AM6 - but it seems AMD wants to keep AM5 for another generation or two...
wtallis
4 months ago
There's minimal demand for Thunderbolt/USB4 ports on Windows desktops. It won't ever make sense to inflate CPU pin count specifically for that use case, especially when the requisite PCIe lanes don't have to come directly from the CPU.
You'd be better off complaining about how Threadripper CPUs and motherboards are priced out of the enthusiast consumer market, than asking for the mainstream CPU platform to be made more expensive with the addition of IO that the vast majority of mainstream customers don't want to pay for.
Yokolos
4 months ago
Aren't they waiting for DDR6?
zamadatix
4 months ago
One person's "design mistake" is another person's "market segmentation".
x16 GPU + x4 NVMe + x4 USB = 24 direct CPU lanes covers 99% of the market, with add-ons behind the shared chipset bandwidth. The other 1% of the market are pushed to buy Threadripper/Epyc.
estimator7292
4 months ago
Just this year I finally replaced my 3rd gen I5 system. It was well over 10 years old and still just able to keep up with my workloads.
Now it's a node in my proxmox cluster running transcodes for jellyfin. The circle of life
m-hodges
4 months ago
Woah, that book is cool; and so much more from this publisher!
doctor_blood
4 months ago
LGR took a look at it on his channel; a very tiny book, with very tiny art, apparently all grabbed from google images. Something of a letdown.
debugnik
4 months ago
Wow, I just checked and that's really underwhelming: Tiny page size, lots of padding around the images and yet there's often 4 images per page. The layout makes it seem like the size a was late decision, it would be appropriate for a large artbook.
soupfordummies
4 months ago
You ain't kidding! What a treasure trove of a publisher. Never heard of them before, great rec
IlikeKitties
4 months ago
> Now the silicon manufacturers hate that they even have to sell us their scraps, let alone spend time on making unique designs for their boxes.
I genuinely don't believe this to be true for AMD. I bought a 6600xt on Release Day and by the time I was able to build my complete PC, it had upstream linux kernel support. You can say what you will about AMD but any company that respects my freedoms enough to build a product with great linux support and without requiring any privacy invading proprietary software to use is a-ok in my book.
Fuck NVidia though.
opan
4 months ago
I agree with the spirit of your post, and that AMD is probably the lesser evil, but it's worth noting they "just" moved the proprietary bits into a firmware blob. It's still similarly proprietary but due to the kernel being pretty open to such blobs, it's a problem invisible to most users. You'd have to use linux-libre to get a feel for how bad things really are. You can't really use any modern GPUs with it.
jasomill
4 months ago
I understand the sentiment, but I don't see how devices with proprietary firmware stored in ROM or NVRAM are any more free or open than devices that require proprietary firmware loaded at boot.
And it looks like Linux-Libre also opposes CPU microcode updates[1], as if bugged factory microcode with known security vulnerabilities is any less non-free than fixed microcode. Recommending an alternative architecture that uses non-proprietary microcode I can understand; this I cannot.
[1] https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-Linux-Libre-4.16-Released
IlikeKitties
4 months ago
That honestly makes little difference to me. There's no useful computer out there that isn't a bunch of proprietary blobs to interact with proprietary hardware. Wish there was, but if it's practically indistinguishable from just having those blobs burned into the hardware directly instead of being injected on boot it's not perfect but still a pretty good situation.
I remember when running linux on your computer at all was hit or miss, these days i can go to lenovo and buy a thinkpad with ubuntu preinstalled and know that it will just work.
FirmwareBurner
4 months ago
>I genuinely don't believe this to be true for AMD. I bought a 6600xt on Release Day
That was 2021 though when AMD was still a relative underdog trying to claw market share from Nvidia from consumers. AMD of today has adjusted their prices and attitude to consumers to match their status as a CPU and GPU duopoly in the AI/datacenter space.
IlikeKitties
4 months ago
You can still buy their GPUs, they work perfectly fine on linux ootb and they even make stuff like the AI Max for local AI that is very end user and consumer friendly. Yes, GPUs got more expensive which is a result of increased demand for them. But for a hardware company, as long as their linux support is as good as it currently is, they are a-ok in my book.