bronco21016
4 months ago
There are some other pictures circulating showing the exterior of the aircraft. It definitely appears something hit the aircraft. There is a skid mark on the frame around the window.[1]
Will be interesting to read if an investigative report is made public.
[1]https://viewfromthewing.com/new-cockpit-photos-may-show-what...
stevehawk
4 months ago
anyone know why these photos have random paperclip/clippy icons?
dmbche
4 months ago
Not sure but first thought was part of the right to repair movement having adopted clippy as a mascot/logo (louis rossman)
echelon
4 months ago
They use clippy, not paperclips.
Specifically the cartoon stock art clippy from the original video essay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ
Notice how almost all the comments on that video bear the clippy icon. It's spreading everywhere. Twitter, Reddit, Instagram ...
fennecbutt
4 months ago
I don't think that it's spreading anymore. At least from what I've seen.
Thr thing about the general public is that they're apathetic, they can't boycott their way out of a paper bag.
numpad0
4 months ago
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program_whiz
4 months ago
The TLDW : In the 90s clippy was a symbol of a friendly product feature that wanted to help you do one thing (but you could opt out). Clippy wasn't stealing your data, serving you ads, or anything malicious, it just wanted to help you do one specific thing (e.g. write a letter). The clippy movement is about sending a message to big tech that we don't appreciate ads in our start menu, having our data scraped and sold, being forced into dark patterns, having AI try to take jobs and/or destroy industry, blatant theft of work, etc. Basically, "make computers friendly again".
HeyLaughingBoy
4 months ago
And yet, at the time, everyone (at least devs) hated Clippy!
cncjchsue7
4 months ago
I liked clippy. You could make him dance.
account42
4 months ago
Yeah, Clippy was one of the early examples of infantilization and annoying anthromorphization in software, no better than the "cutesy" error messages or engagement popups that plague us today. It should be an example of what not to do but I guess nostalgia is a powerful drug.
echelon
4 months ago
The most "2020s internet" tldw ever:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R-qrjJr5Ets
Despite the "internetedness" of this, it's a pretty concise summary.
I'm actually really proud of these kids for doing this. It probably won't amount to much, but they're increasingly conscious of and vocal about the problems caused by Big Tech.
numpad0
4 months ago
...tldw? Seriously. Or could you timestamp it? I can't find attentionmaxxed flicks as attention grabbing. It fills up my attention receptors and my brain marks them as done literally 1-2 seconds in with generated mental summaries.
hnbad
4 months ago
TLDW?
We used to hate Clippy because he felt intrusive. Now AI is much more deliberately intrusive and every service mines your data. Clippy doesn't seem so bad in comparison. Hence, nostalgia mixed with a form of protest against the AI tech space.
harshreality
4 months ago
Seriously, watch at least half of Louis Rossman's video in the GGGP post. It's worth the 2 minutes at 2x speed it'll take (4mins at 1x speed). You won't get the spirit of the thing quite the same if you don't hear him explain it.
It's a signal of disgust and rebellion against modern evil that companies do — they abuse attention, data-mine, etc. The clippy mascot represents something that, in contrast, may have been dumb and annoying, but was not actively evil. "Clippy just wanted to help."
serf
4 months ago
I can't think of a lower-effort or less beneficial social rebellion, and on top of that the messaging is totally confused and half of the people that encounter it will need it explained to them.
it'll just be purposefully misinterpreted on the corporate level and Microsoft will roll out a clippy that does abuse the user to ride the momentum.
AuthAuth
4 months ago
That is stage one which is building the movement. The current action being taken is a campaign of contacting the AE and governors to get them to deny the contract for AI tracking cameras. Louis is one of the few people that actually give actionable steps
jwald33
4 months ago
Rossmann is the first to admit that Clippy pfps do nothing if the person stops their activism after that one gesture. A 5 second pfp change to spark a conversation (the one we're having, for example) is pretty decent ROI.
account42
4 months ago
Profile picture are literally a meme for performative activism, not something that achieves anything at all. All it does is signal to those that already think alike that you are part of the pack and everyone else will just roll their eyes.
j4coh
4 months ago
I tried watching, it’s something to do with brainrot content? I’m not really sure I get it. I’m not entirely sure I watched the intended video.
echelon
4 months ago
This is how the upcoming generation consumes content. Better get somewhat used to it. It's going to start bleeding into everyday life to some extent.
WaPo has a channel that posts journalism in this exact same format:
https://youtube.com/shorts/P1e3q3NAPMs
Pokemon themed:
harshreality
4 months ago
You watched the youtube short? Do you know who Rossmann is? He wasn't in the youtube short. That should've been a hint. GGGP = great-great-grandparent = 4 levels up; the short was 2 levels up.
account42
4 months ago
No, this is a text-based message board. People don't come here to watch YouTube shorts.
j4coh
4 months ago
I saw a video with people sort of yelling at each other and fast cuts and bright colors, which looked like brainrot videos. Was that the intended one?
user
4 months ago
account42
4 months ago
No. If ggp cant be bothered to write is opinion out in text rather than linking a youtube video then it can't be that important.
numpad0
4 months ago
so it's a dog whistle and a cult symbol, got it...
Gigablah
4 months ago
Just say “virtue signaling”, it’s not that deep
hnbad
4 months ago
I don't think you know what those words mean.
A dog whistle is intended to be only recognized by those who are intended to "hear" it - like how an actual dog whistle appears almost entirely silent to humans but can be heard by dogs. It exists to signal alignment to those "in the know" while providing plausible deniability that can be used to paint anyone pointing it out as a conspiracy theorist. A lot of far-right/neo-nazi 4chan/8kun memes fall into this category: the "OK" hand sign, the use of Pepe the frog (although that one quickly saw wider adoption making it too ambiguous for signalling purposes), even simply the concept of drinking milk, but also of course "number codes" like 14, 88 or 13/50. These don't have to have an inherent/original meaning as they're often more effective if they're sufficiently obscure/rare but have pre-existing unrelated meaning. Clearly Clippy is not a dog whistle then: although it references a pre-existing thing, there's no semantic ambiguity nor any attempt to hide or deny its meaning. The intent is to get people curious, find out its meaning and adopt it if they agree with it.
Cult symbols are also usually meant to be easily obscured and meaningless to the uninitiated. They're also often used as a form of communication but otherwise usually behave similarly to dog whistles. Unlike the dog whistles I mentioned they usually have no prior meaning (unless they're adopted from pre-existing occult/religious symbolism) and primarily profess shared mantras/beliefs. Some more widely known examples can als be found in Christianity: the crucifix symbolizes the professed belief that Jesus of Nazareth died on the cross as a human and rose from the dead as the Son of God, the "Jesus fish" (ICHTHYS) symbol represents a bunch of ideas in addition to being derived from an abbreviation of the professed belief in Jesus as the Son of God and Savior - the latter is widely claimed to originate very much in a "cult symbol" by allowing Christians to identify each other in a way not obvious to outsiders during times in which they were facing religious suppression. If there is a mantra in Clippy, it's "Clippy never hurt anyone" and that seems a bit too self-referential - plus as I said "followers" will happily explain this meaning to you.
A sibling suggest "virtue signal" and I guess that's a better fit but only through the semantic erosion the term has experienced as part of the US conservative culture war on "wokeness" (a term that suffers from the same problem).
I'd say the French flag profile pictures following the ISIS attacks in France or the rainbow colors adopted by various corporations on social media for Pride Month pre-Trump were a better example for virtue signals. Clippy seems a lot more confined and specific to really fit in the same bucket. The French flag really just expressed some vague notion of "solidarity", the rainbow colors in corporate imagery just vaguely expressed support for "diversity". So they literally exist to signal virtues - vague "support" for a concept generally understood to be positive - nothing concrete. Clippy on the other hand seems to specifically represent opposition to specific common business practices in the (US especially and AI in particular) tech industry.
slicktux
4 months ago
Probably OPs’ version of watermark..?
Archonical
4 months ago
Watermarks usually have branding to indicate ownership. Two distinct 3D paperclip overlays don't seem like watermarks and JonNYC doesn't use them in all photos he's posted on his thread on Bluesky.
They don't even seem to serve as visual cues.
stephen_g
4 months ago
If it's not an unusual watermark, perhaps it's to confuse AI classifiers?
randomtoast
4 months ago
It could be a size reference.
user
4 months ago
fragmede
4 months ago
Interesting, that link says it might just be hail.
bronco21016
4 months ago
A lot doesn't add up from that article though. The writer mentions the window in question is the Captain's window. From the pictures, it appears to be the First Officer's window. Also, the writer mentions pock marks consistent with hail damage in other areas of the aircraft but I haven't found any images substantiating that.
Hail is absolutely the most probably explanation, the article points to two other instances with similar outcomes. I think the doubt comes from the lack of evidence of hail or convective activity or other hail damage on the aircraft. Also, the pilot reportedly said he saw something coming at the aircraft.
JCM9
4 months ago
Most journalists are pretty bad when it comes to covering aviation so I wouldn’t put much weight on the discrepancies. Half the time they can’t tell the difference between a jet and a Cessna 172. Seriously.
potato3732842
4 months ago
Reminds me of this gem:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6d/79/e9/6d79e9982b92c476e1d671f31...
thayne
4 months ago
Journalists are generally pretty bad at covering any technical topic, unless the journalist has some specific training in that topic, which is rare.
herewulf
4 months ago
Indeed. As an engineer I ask an expert to review anything technical that I write (or program) for accuracy where I'm not an expert, but for some reason journalists don't do this. And so here we are.
maxbond
4 months ago
> ...but for some reason journalists don't do this.
I imagine most journalists would love to have technical reviewers on their work, but there's no funding for it and there's pressure to churn content as quickly as possible. The specialized editors and fact checkers have been stripped away in the last few decades to create lean content mills.
serf
4 months ago
>I imagine most journalists would love to have technical reviewers on their work, but there's no funding for it and there's pressure to churn content as quickly as possible.
well, so, we call these people what they are : tabloid writers.
journalists are the ones that take the time, effort, and cost to verify claims and rebroadcast perceived truths.
maxbond
4 months ago
This is a bit of a "no true Scotsman" issue. Almost no one working as a journalist is given the resources to do that. Even if they have access to those resources, they don't necessarily have access to them for every story. And how are you supposed to become a senior journalist who has developed sources and gained enough trust/reputation to have resources invested in them - without being a junior journalist who is only given the leftover scraps?
A journalist deprived of resources might regress to what you call a tabloid writer, sure. But my issue is with framing it as a moral failing on their part, that they're too lazy or stupid or arrogant to get the facts right. Surely there are people like that, but it isn't most of them. This is a systemic issue. As a society we have failed to fund these activities.
hsbauauvhabzb
4 months ago
My local papers can’t even publish without glaring spelling errors that would be highlighted in every editor that supports spell checking
Quekid5
4 months ago
The Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is always important to keep in mind.
user
4 months ago
grapesodaaaaa
4 months ago
I feel like a hail would cause a strong radar return that would have been noticed or at least documented by NEXRAD or onboard systems.
I’m sure the NTSB investigation will consider this angle, and we will find out eventually.
chiph
4 months ago
I was thinking it could be blue ice - leakage from another jet's waste holding tank.
lazide
4 months ago
Not too many commercial aircraft at > FL 360. They’d be hard to miss too.
Cthulhu_
4 months ago
Would hail form that high up? I thought any water would have frozen / solidified well below that height, it's -55 celsius up there.
zamadatix
4 months ago
Hail can be found higher than cruising altitude. Remember, it forms by riding updrafts in large storm clouds. Those updrafts don't stop blowing based on what's going on with the hail.
That said, I really doubt this was hail. The pilot is said to have seen something coming, which is probably why they are focused on a weather balloon payload now.