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Codex Is Live in Zed

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d4rkp4ttern

5 hours ago

Zed is incredibly snappy to open projects and search files but very basic functions like auto-complete (at least in Python and markdown) are still terrible, nowhere close to IntelliJ/Pycharm. Or maybe there is a very specific settings.json incantation that I am missing.

ktosobcy

an hour ago

"hot take": it's snappy to open (open project) but it's mostly due to severely lacking any serious fuctionality besides showing the file... :/

mcjiggerlog

4 hours ago

I tried it out this morning and it felt really rough, unfortunately.

It was super slow (thought I think that applies to CLI Codex too), it wasn't outputting any text explaining what it was trying to achieve, and it started off down a path that made no sense. Claude Code in Zed has some rough edges but it's at least usable.

In terms of GUI agents, Cursor is still a lot nicer experience, IMO. Though I do still prefer just using Claude Code cli, personally.

JamesSwift

35 minutes ago

I have been using a handrolled integration in zed for codex and that is really slow compared to claude code. I think its just the nature of the codex beast.

suminjs

4 hours ago

The speed at which this team ships is genuinely insane. I'm already expecting the next blog post to say "We've added fully native support for the M3 Max, Windows, and a built-in neural net for generating feature flag names. Oh, and here's the Zed 1.0 release candidate.

chandureddyvari

12 hours ago

Can someone help me understand the pricing of zed? $10 per month- $5 credits for AI credits. This credits can be used for claude code / codex inside zed or should I manage different api keys for codex/claude code?

tecoholic

9 hours ago

There are 2 modes of operation - an editor AI mode and a dedicated agent mode. For the agent mode like Claude Code or Codex, you don’t have to pay Zed, only the CLI tool providers. The zed subscription is for those who don’t want to deal with AI vendors, cli tools etc., and just use it in the editor

bicx

20 hours ago

Cool. If Zed supported git worktree diff highlighting, I'd be using it.

Brajeshwar

14 hours ago

If you are OK with another tool to complement it, I found GitButler via Hacker News recently and it looks promising.

https://gitbutler.com

thatxliner

10 hours ago

Doesn’t GitButler require a specific workflow?

CjHuber

17 hours ago

For me it's the missing Jupyter support that's preventing me from switching

gabeidx

8 hours ago

That would be an interesting plugin to write…

Their extensions API is still a bit lacking, but Jupyter support in the style of vscode should be possible with the current capabilities.

LVB

18 hours ago

What do you mean exactly? Diffs between multiple worktrees? I've found the current diff view fairly useful.

bicx

an hour ago

A git worktree directory contains a .git that just references the original directory’s .git, and Zed doesn’t support this configuration. So, there just isn’t any representation of change tracking when working in a worktree directory.

citbl

16 hours ago

and for me it's the dart debugging!

we all want something.

consumer451

15 hours ago

Yes. Can you imagine being the person responsible for gathering user feedback from socials, for a product like this? oof.

mikaylamaki

14 hours ago

It’s quite the experience

xpe

3 hours ago

Two things. First, some economists study stated versus revealed preferences. [1] The idea is to figure out what people do rather than what they say they will do.

Second, in the case of people making feature requests, it could be a net-societal-gain [2] if feature requesters made some kind of binding commitment. (See also the hold-up problem [3].) Perhaps a potential customer would commit to "if/when feature X gets added, I will commit to using the product for 2 hours." or "... I will spend $10 on the associated cloud services." (The question of what happens if the customer reneges also has to be agreed upon up front.)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revealed_preference

[2]: known as social welfare (not to be confused with welfare programs -- this is the neoclassical economic framework after all!): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_welfare_function

[3]: this paper discusses the hold-up problem in the context of vaccine investment and development: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28168/w281...

nopushcomplaint

15 hours ago

For me it's the lack of c#

msmagh

14 hours ago

c# extension is available, uses Omnisharp LSP

https://zed.dev/extensions/csharp

nopushcomplaint

10 hours ago

Omnisharp is extremely slow. It becomes unusable for larger projects.

__float

2 hours ago

Okay, so what kind of solution are you looking for here? VS Code uses a closed-source LSP server for its C# extension. Rider is it's own custom stuff, of course.

So...where does that leave the Zed team? If existing LSPs aren't good enough, that's not a Zed problem: they're building an editor, not LSPs for your favorite language.

ktosobcy

40 minutes ago

but that's the thing - apart from being editor it doesn't offer anything of substance... if I want to have an editor I can use BBEdit or Vim...

bradgessler

18 hours ago

I love that this was completely overshadowed by "Zed works in Windows!"

This team ships so much that if they sold an LTS product, it means they'd support the release for 24 hours.

the_duke

17 hours ago

Let's hope agent CLIs adopt the ACP protocol, instead of having to do hacky shims.

mosselman

a day ago

I'd wish a better model or system would go live for the inline suggestions. The Zed ones are so trash compared to Cursor's it is just laughable.

An example is that when I have a module like Namespace::SuperAbcModule in a file at namespace/super_abc_module.rb and I rename the file to namespace/super_module.rb, Cursor will immediately suggest to change the module name to `Namespace::SuperModule`, Zed won't.

Also Cursor will suggest updates to lines throughout a file whereas Zed sometimes doesn't even look ahead 1-2 lines.

Having Claude Code and Codex built into the sidebar is hardly better than having them running in a terminal. I wish they'd invested all this time and effort improving the inline suggestions.

WD-42

21 hours ago

Right click on the file in the project tree -> rename will rename references. Or in the code right click -> rename symbol. Not sure why you need to bring AI into it.

johnfn

14 hours ago

Yes, why just hit tab for everything when you can memorize 50 context dependent keyboard shortcuts?

hiccuphippo

a day ago

Why is that something AI has to do? PhpStorm does this, without Ai, since forever ago. And updates references everywhere, even inside strings or doc comments.

mosselman

a day ago

Firstly, I don't care what tech does this, as long as I can get good suggestions.

Secondly, it was just one example that came to me from comparing this the other day. You could compile a long list of examples where Cursor gives better completions than Zed does.

f311a

16 hours ago

It's better to learn the tools that you are using. Renaming is part of LSP servers and Zed has no control over them. They are unique for each language. Using AI for this is a waste of resources, especially when renaming affects tens of files. It's not reliable, slow and not determenstic.

pollinations

9 hours ago

They were just giving that as an example that Zed's inline suggestions aren't very good for basic tasks. There are hundreds of othersmall tasks like this that can't be handled by the language server.

neutronicus

5 minutes ago

Yes, elsewhere in this thread someone is complaining about lousy C# language server performance relative to IDEs. These swiss-army-knife programmer's editors will always be at a semantic language tooling disadvantage relative to IDEs.

I know that days of yak-shaving with LSP and emacs only gets me to a janky imitation of Visual Studio/XCode semantic search on my C++ work codebase. "Fuck it, let an LLM auto-complete based on vibes" has some appeal when you just get sick of trying to arm-wrestle clangd into ... whatever XCode or Visual Studio are doing to have functional semantic search across the project.

Although I have to say LLMs were a disaster at vibe-auto-completing in VSCode. So I mostly stick with semantic search in the IDE and editing in emacs like I always have.

JustFinishedBSG

7 hours ago

While your example is not AI related (should be handled by the LSP integration with "Rename Symbol") I agree that Zed's Next Edit Prediction model is *extremely* subpar. Imho they should either scrap it and just work on having a good integration story with third party models for the next edit (and maybe propose by default a partner model I don't know) or invest a lot more efforts into it.

But currently I sadly have to say the model's "help" is often a net negative.

8n4vidtmkvmk

10 hours ago

That doesn't sound like it needs AI. JetBrains was doing that before the AI wave.

kwkelly

4 hours ago

Improved inline suggestions are under way if you search the PRs on GitHub for zeta2. You can also bring your own edit prediction provider by configuring copilot or supermaven. Codestral edit predictions were merged last week

rpearl

a day ago

I otherwise like Zed way more than the vscode-derivatives but yeah, the edit predictions are just not even close. And it's laggier feeling despite the lower quality.

_neil

a day ago

Agreed. Zed is my daily driver and I love it, but the autocomplete is not good. I end up disabling AI altogether.

spartanatreyu

14 hours ago

Probably for the best.

It's human nature to start trusting AI suggestions just because they look good enough without actually checking them. That's going to lead to massive issues down the line the more it goes on.

Snippets are more useful.

If you're doing something repetitive, a vetted snippet does wonders. Learning how to make your own snippets with appropriate tab stops is a seriously underrated skill.

High competence in regex search-and-replace, multi-cursor, and snippets is an amazing combination.