YeBanKo
4 hours ago
Here is a very interesting thread with owners https://www.4xeforums.com/threads/wrangler-4xe-ota-update-10... Some interesting observations:
* vehicle loses power while in motion
* some owners reported not accepting the update, but it still proceeded to update
* off hours support told them call on Monday
flaminHotSpeedo
4 hours ago
Out of curiosity, what do you mean by Jeep riding on their reputation?
Based on everything I've seen and heard, Jeep's reputation is for unreliable vehicles that are increasingly difficult to repair. This seems pretty on-brand for that reputation.
freeqaz
4 hours ago
Recent reputation, yes. But their old reputation was very positive. They made cars that would survive in any condition (which is why they were popular for military uses).
These days, you're in one of two camps: Either you still believe (because you're ignorant or value the Jeep brand more than you value a reliable vehicle) or you've read the recent reviews and steer clear.
Jeep has been duking it out for the bottom of Consumer Reports ratings for a while now, yet they still seem to sell cars. As they continue to betray their loyal customer base though, I imagine this will change. I wish American car companies were better!
treesknees
3 hours ago
I think you’re conflating a few things. Jeeps, as manufactured during World War II, were produced by Ford and Willys. The Jeeps of today, manufactured by Stellantis, carry on the name (and arguably the general shape) but are completely different vehicles.
They “seem” to sell cars? Well, yes. The Wrangler and the Grand Cherokee are consistently near the top of list of most popular SUVs, year after year.
nostrademons
3 hours ago
The point of buying the brand is to conflate reputations.
water-data-dude
an hour ago
Don't forget the third camp who just really like OLD jeeps!
Somewhere in the ballpark of a week ago there was a car show near where I walk my dog (some charity event). Overall not that interesting - there were a lot of flashy low riders with the crazy hydraulics and stuff - but there was also this really cool jeep truck-thing from sometime in the 1950's, a Jeep Forward Control[0]. They had pics of it when they first got it, absolute rusty mess! But goddamn, I'm not even a car guy and I was impressed. Labor of love.
Then my cousin has a more modern Jeep and lemme tell you: not great. I wonder what happened to that company? Garden variety enshittification, or is there an interesting story there?
nostrademons
4 hours ago
Depends how old you are. Up through the 80s, Jeep still had a reputation as a rock-solid, durable brand. (The reality probably changed sometime in the 1970s, but it takes time for word to get out.) A lot of people's mental model is set somewhere in their 20s/30s, and they never really update it. So a lot of baby boomers still think of Jeep as a reliable car.
flaminHotSpeedo
an hour ago
That's what I was getting at, though I wasn't sure if my perceptions matched the general consensus (which it seems they do).
If a manufacturer has been broadly considered as unreliable for the past 20-40 years (JK's came out in 2007, and I still heard some people talking about jeeps as being reliable in the TJ era, though I'd personally disagree), I think it's fair to say they have a reputation of being unreliable.
grogenaut
3 hours ago
Among my dads friends (lawyers) in the 80s none of them would buy a jeep because they consistently died between 60k and 80k miles. one of them had one but he expected to only put 30k on it on his property. We had to pull it with a tractor on multiple hunts because the 4wd system wouldn't work.