3 minutes ago
This is crazy. I was having a conversation earlier where I divided the use cases and my taxonomy was almost identical: I didn't include "writing help" but everything else. Then I guessed the trends trends and nailed it with respect to the other of usage.
I personally hate chatgpt's voice (writing style) but I guess that's a minority position.
9 hours ago
Perhaps most telling in this entire report is Table 1. It shows that the non-work has grown 8x in 1 year, whereas work has only ~3.4x. Considering that non-work related usage of ChatGPT now makes up 73% of the requests, ChatGPT is very much in the consumer market, despite substantial marketing of LLM products in a professional context and even as much as compelled usage in some corporations.
Since many consumers are typically relatively tight-fisted in the b2c market, I don't think this bodes well for the long-term economics of the market. This may explain the relatively recent pivot to attempt to "discover" uses.
I don't think this ends happily.
8 hours ago
"I don't think this ends happily."
Still, 700 million users, and they can still add a lot of products within ChatGPT. Ads will also be slapped on answers.
If all fails, Sam will start wearing "Occupy Jupiter" t-shirts.
6 hours ago
> Ads will also be slapped on answers.
Ads won't be slapped onto answers, my guess is that they will be subtly and silently inserted into them so that you don't even notice. It won't always be what you see either as companies, political groups, and others who seek to influence you will pay to have specific words/phrases omitted from answers as well.
AI at this point is little more than a toy that outright lies occasionally yet we're already seeing AI hurting people's ability to think, be creative, use critical thinking skills, and research independently.
8 hours ago
And friendster at one point had over 100m users. A gross margin (and more importantly, positive cash flow) business is more important than users. This data is not a good indicator of either.
7 hours ago
They have literally hundreds of millions of users that are completely free. Not google search or facebook free, but free free, and only suffer a few billion in losses. Inference is cheap and their unit economics is fine. There is literally no business that would be making profit under those constraints. If they need to make profit, they can implement ads and that will be that.
7 hours ago
In 2024 (when customer mix was more favorable) they lost 5B on 10 in forward looking ARR.
They aren't pulling an Amazon snd balancing cash flow with costs. They're just incinerating money for a low value userbase. Even at FB arpu the economics are still very poor.
7 hours ago
>In 2024 (when customer mix was more favorable)
Okay, so still hundreds of millions of users
>They aren't pulling an Amazon snd balancing cash flow with costs.
Nobody said they were. I said having hundreds of millions of completely free users would suck the profitability of any business, and that the remedy would be simple, should the need for it arise.
>They're just incinerating money for a low value userbase.
If you don't see how implementing ads in a system designed for having natural conversations to users whose most common queries are for “Practical Guidance” and “Seeking Information” could be incredibly valuable then you have no foresight and I don't know what to tell you.
>Even at FB arpu the economics are still very poor.
No they aren't and I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Inference is cheap and has been for some time.
6 hours ago
I don't think you realize the issue. They aren't monetizing their SaaS product satisfactorily -- hence the Amazon cash flow imbalance statement. This indicates they must find new markets to survive. Despite this, however, they are gaining only in poorer markets, limiting the monetizability of a high cost product.
Implementing adds is a hail-mary. It puts them in a knife fight with google which will likely result in a race to the bottom which OpenAI cannot sustain and win.
FB global ARPU is about 50 USD. At 700M customers, they do 35B in revenue annually. This compares to a publicly stated expected cost of approximately 150B in computing alone over the next 5 years (see: https://fortune.com/2025/09/06/openai-spending-outlook-115-b...). This leaves a profit of 5B per year, with 90B expected r&d costs. Even if OpenAI develops a product and fires all employees, you are looking at a ROIC of about 18 years.
Fundamentally, OpenAI does not have the unit economics of a traditional SaaS. "Hundreds of millions of users" is hundreds of millions of people consuming expenses and not generating sufficient revenue to justify the line of business as a going concern. This, coupled with declining enterprise AI adoption (https://www.apolloacademy.com/ai-adoption-rate-trending-down...) paints an ugly picture.
43 minutes ago
Facebook users spend multiple hours per day doomscrolling. Operational costs of a doomscrolling user is minimal. Most of it will be served from a CDN.
Imagine 700M users “doomchatting” with GPT5 for several hours per day to justify the ROI of advertising.
5 hours ago
V nice post. As a corporate finance and valuation enthusiast - I approve.
6 hours ago
>Despite this, however, they are gaining only in poorer markets
They are gaining everywhere. Some more than others, but to say they are only gaining in poorer markets is blatantly untrue.
>FB global ARPU is about 50 USD. At 700M customers, they do 35B in revenue annually.
Yeah, and that would make them healthily profitable.
>This compares to a publicly stated expected cost of approximately 150B in computing alone over the next 5 years
Yes, because they expect to serve hundreds of millions to potentially billions more users. 'This leaves a profit of 5B per year' makes some very bizarre assumptions. You’re conflating a future-scale spending projection with today’s economics. That number is a forward-looking projection tied to massive scale - it doesn’t prove current users alone justify that spend, and they clearly don't. There is no reality where they are spending that much if their userbase stalls at today's numbers, so it's just a moot point and '5B per year' a made up number.
>Fundamentally, OpenAI does not have the unit economics of a traditional SaaS.
Again, Everything points to their unit economics being perfectly fine.
4 hours ago
No, the economics are horrible. At current 30Y T-bond rates, your money doubles ever ~15 years. Your money grows faster in USD treasuries then OpenAI. That's disastrous.
7 hours ago
But if they slap on ads their margin improves so it is possible no?
7 hours ago
Yeah but the problem then becomes you are in a knife fight with google. Welcome to margin compression on already thin margins and high capex. Its not a like they buy commodity hardware that is cheap, or have the depth of talent like Google to do ASICs + DC management.
Once OpenAI turns to ads, I think it's an indicator they are out of ideas.
7 hours ago
No one ever paid for social media, or were expected to in the future.
6 hours ago
Nobody expected the total computations from social media they expect from LLM services. And that's the point: users are irrelevant, even large enterprises with advantageous cost structures can die with poor management.
an hour ago
I think the data might be skewed.
They only analyze the consumer plans, and ignored Enterprise, Teams and Education plans.
an hour ago
Work could Be dropping from the limit of ChatGPT in the workplace and use of CoPilot in a secured Microsoft tenant.
2 hours ago
As google has shown, consumer/business market is not either/or.
8 hours ago
Consumers have low friction on the way in and on the way out. Especially when media hype gets involved.
Business have higher friction - legal, integrations, access control, internal knowledge leaks (a document can be restricted access but result may leak into a more open query). Not to mention the typical general inertia. This friction works both ways.
Think capacitive vs induction electric circuits.
8 hours ago
I don't see how friction is the primary driver here. ChatGPT is available through the most enterprise sales channel available -- Azure. The Microsoft enterprise sales engine is probably the best in the world.
Similarly, if costs double (or worse, increase to a point to be close to typical SaaS margins) and LLMs lose their shine I dont think there will be friction on the way out. People (especially executives) will offer up ChatGPT as a sacrifice.
5 hours ago
OpenAI makes a profile of you based on your chat history and people are far more personal with these things than Google search. It's gonna be a goldmine when they decide to use that profile to make money.
8 hours ago
If people find it useful but enterprise adoption is lagging, doesn't that indicate there's still a big upside?
On the other hand, I remember when BlackBerry had enterprise locked down and got wiped out by consumer focused Apple.
In any event, having big consumer growth doesn't seem like a bad thing.
It will be bad if it starts a race to the bottom for ad driven offering though.
3 hours ago
> If people find it useful but enterprise adoption is lagging, doesn't that indicate there's still a big upside?
It could indicate that many people find it more of an entertainment product than a tool, and those are often harder to monetize. You've got ads, and that's about it, and puts a probable cap on your monthly revenue per user that's less than most of the subscription prices these companies are trying to get (especially in non-USA countries).
(I find it way more of a tool and basically don't use it outside of work... but I see a LOT of AI pics and videos in discord and forums and such.)
7 hours ago
It’s been shoved down enterprise throats for months/years. Shareholders, CEOs, workers (at the start) and users (at the start) have never had such a unified understanding in what they want than this AI frenzy. All stars were aligned for it to gain more traction. And yet…
It’s the prodigal child of tech.
8 hours ago
When Apple sells a device, they get more revenue with minimal coats turbocharging revenue and profits.
When OpenAI sells a ChatGPT subscription, they incur large costs just to serve the product, shrinking margins.
Big difference in unit economics, hence the quantization push.
6 hours ago
The statistic is from ChatGPT consumer plans, so I don't think it says anything useful about enterprise adoption of LLM products or usage patterns in those enterprise contexts.
6 hours ago
Exactly. Enterprise use has a carveout for analytics - so it wouldn’t be in the paper’s population anyways
9 hours ago
Looks like they only included actual chats and not agentic/copilot usage. IMO that makes the study quite incomplete.
8 hours ago
The chats alone are backbreakingly costly relative to the market mix of ChatGPT.
Rest of the market be damned -- combined with the poor customer mix (low to middle income countries) this explains why there has been such a push by the big labs to attempt to quantize models and save costs. You effectively have highly paid engineers/scientists running computationally expensive models on some of the most expensive hardware on the market to serve instructions on how to do things to people in low income countries.
This doesn't sound good, even for ad-supported business models.
5 hours ago
Yep and lets not forget, those people are incredibly price sensitive.
Is there enough product differentiation between OAI and Gemini? Not that I can see. And even if it was a low price, thats not the point - people hate paying a penny for something they expect to be free.
By the time OAI has developed anything that enables them to acquire and exercise market power (profitably), they will have ran out of funding (at least on favourable terms). Which could cause key talent to leave to competitors and so on. Essentially a downward spiral to death.
8 hours ago
I also wonder how much of those "writing" assistance is for propaganda, troll farms, or scams. Such value. $500B well spent.
7 hours ago
LLMs are the next ISPs, and those households who haven't yet found room for it on their monthly budgets soon will. And much like ISPs, i'd expect to see the starting $20/mo evolve over time into a full size utility bill. Not all households, of course, but at utility-scale nonetheless.
an hour ago
I commonly switch between chatgpt, perplexity, and copilot. Whatever is closest to my mouse or shortcut. Copilot is clearly the worst of the three but I have not true loyalty or most of the time, care. I suspect I am getting weak model responses from perplexity at times but it’s good enough to keep moving fast. Sam mentioned brining memory to people, not just because it’s what ppl want but I suspect my it will help to lock ppl into one platform of snowballing context.
3 hours ago
I think the 73% non-work usage ratio will flip again within 2-3 years, but not because consumer usage shrinks. As AI becomes embedded in workflows through APIs the "work" category is set to expand dramatically.
8 hours ago
Blog post with highlights:
7 hours ago
> to tl;dr tbis article
9 hours ago
Not going to read all that.. ;)
> ChatGPT is widely used for practical guidance, information seeking, and writing, which together make up nearly 80% of usage. Non-work queries now dominate (70%). Writing is the main work task, mostly editing user text. Users are younger, increasingly female, global, and adoption is growing fastest in lower-income countries
8 hours ago
> Users are younger, increasingly female, global, and adoption is growing fastest in lower-income countries
Young moms with no money in poor countries use this product the most. I bet that was fun news to deliver up the chain.
5 hours ago
Surely this user base can make back the hundreds of billions of dollars they invested in it.
7 hours ago
A strong foothold among an ambitious, educated, technologically-connected cohort in emerging economies? Yes please.
6 hours ago
No amount of LinkedEn speech can fix the poor part of it.
In 2025, it's abundantly clear that the mask is off. Only the whales matter in video games. Only the top donors matter in donation funding. Modern laptops with GPUs are all $2k+ dollars machines. Luxury condos are everywhere. McDonalds revenues and profits are up despite pricing out a lot of low income people.
The poor have less of the nothing they already have. You can make a hundred affordable cars or get as much, if not order of magnitudes more, profit with just one luxury vehicle sale.
6 hours ago
You have no idea if they’re ambitious or educated. Absolutely no idea. Is it just commonplace to inject “facts” into conjecture? Comes off as desperate.