exabrial
3 hours ago
The JVMin in the last 6-8 years has been a powerhouse of innovation and cool features. Incredibly impressive!
panny
3 hours ago
And a thank you to Oracle for being a good steward of the language.
stickfigure
an hour ago
I really don't want to upvote this sentiment but I must anyway.
The fact is, despite Oracle being a menace to the tech industry, Java under their watch is thriving. Which is weird, because I don't know anyone who gives them money for Java. I'm genuinely curious who these companies are and what their incentives are!
exabrial
32 minutes ago
I feel like that tide is changing in general. Not that two wrongs make a right, but don’t forget Microsoft once sold “Linux Licenses”, and then there’s the whole SCO vs IBM debacle. Lawyer driven revenue streams are falling out of style, unfortunately Oracle was a late bloomer. They’ve done an incredible amount of damage to their reputation.
didip
an hour ago
For real. When Sun got bought, I thought to myself: “At least they would also destroy Java…”.
But nooo, Java thrives and flourish under Oracle protection.
api
5 minutes ago
Java gets more hate than it deserves. "There are languages everyone complains about and languages nobody uses."
Most of the hate comes from the overly complicated "enterprise design patterns" crap that took over the ecosystem in the late 90s into the 2000s, not the language itself. It's quite possible to write clean, clear, appropriately complex, well performing Java code.
The JVM is really a fantastic piece of engineering and IMHO represents a whole direction in computing I feel sad that we didn't take. We opted to stay close to the metal with all the security, portability, code reuse, and other headaches that entails, instead of going into managed execution environments that make all kinds of compatibility and reuse and portability problems mostly go away.
reactordev
3 hours ago
Surely this is written by an LLM. Paying per core for “enterprise” just because you’re a business isn’t my idea of being a good steward. If anything we should be championing the OpenJDK folks. They are the real heroes.
pron
2 hours ago
The only thing that's paid is support, and the OpenJDK folks are Oracle employees (well, the ~90% of them who do ~95% of the work on OpenJDK). OpenJDK is an Oracle project in the same sense that Chromium is a Google project. In fact, OpenJDK (even more precisely - the OpenJDK JDK) is the name given to Oracle's implementation of the Java SE specification, but we do get contributions from other companies, such as this particular great enhancement to JFR (even external contributions also involve significant work by Oracle employees).
Anyway, if you don't want to buy a support service, either from Oracle or any of the other companies that sell it, the use of the JDK is free. There is no "enterprise" flavour of the JDK, paid features, or use restrictions as there used to be under Sun's management. Java is obviously freer now - as in beer or in speech - than it was 20 years ago.
Moomoomoo309
an hour ago
There is an enterprise flavor of the JDK. It's called GraalVM enterprise edition.
pjmlp
an hour ago
That has nothing to do with OpenJDK, GraalVM is its own thing.
cowsandmilk
40 minutes ago
You’re the only one who put “Open” in there. Both your parent and grandparent said JDK.
pron
17 minutes ago
GraalVM is a separate product developed by an unrelated team. Its enterprise flavour is not considered an enterprise flavour of the JDK. The closest to an enterprise JDK from Oracle I can think of is the "Enterprise Performance Pack" for the 12-year-old Java 8, but it has nothing that isn't in the free and open recent releases (which actually include many more performance enhancements).
The idea there is that it's cheaper for companies with legacy software that isn't actively maintained to pay for some portion of the performance improvements in modern JVM generations than to ramp up maintenance to upgrade to modern Java, and this can help fund the continued evolution of OpenJDK.
ecshafer
2 hours ago
OpenJDK is the specification implementation. A huge amount of the OpenJDK development is paid for by Oracle (And others).
reactordev
2 hours ago
Because they have a financial interest in rug pulls.
Twirrim
6 minutes ago
What rug pull do you picture could happen at this stage? OpenJDK is the reference spec. Fully open source. Stewarded by multiple companies. Even if Oracle somehow managed to force the whole thing closed source (not sure that's even possible?) you've got all the other contributors who'd "hell no", fork and away you go. Which version of Java do you think the community would go with? There's no way it'd work.
dialogbox
2 hours ago
Why do you think a good steward shouldn't have a financial interest?
pjmlp
an hour ago
Nope, people keep forgetting no one wanted to buy Sun, not even Google after torpedoing (which would save them from their J++ like lawsuit).
IBM kind of thought of it, but ended up withdrawing the offer.
So the anti-Oracle folks would have seen Java wither and die in version 6, and the MaximeVM technology would never had been released as GraalVM.
exabrial
2 hours ago
`sdk install java 21.0.8.fx-librca`
No pre-core fee needed.