Nepal picks a new prime minister on a discord server days after social media ban

103 pointsposted 5 months ago
by fivestones

37 Comments

fivestones

5 months ago

I thought it was super ironic that after the government of Nepal banned almost all social media platforms last week, this week the Gen Z protesters who overthrew the government used one of those platforms, discord, to choose a new prime minister.

The person they picked is 73 year old Sushila Karki, who used to be a Cheif justice of the Supreme Court until she retired at age 65, and is the only woman to have ever held that position. She is also now the first and only female to run the country. The protests that overthrew the Nepali government this past week were started to protest corruption in government, and Karki is known for being fiercely against corruption as a judge. She was sworn in on Friday. Good luck to her. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c179qne0zw0o

cadamsdotcom

5 months ago

I highly recommend anyone interested in these processes read “The Democratic Coup”.

It tries to explain the circumstances where a coup such as this can lead to democracy.

Key interesting example include Portugal in 1974 ... and the American Revolution against the British.

It’s happened before and it could well happen again here. My heart goes out to the protestors. May they fill the power vacuum with strong leaders who can make their country better for future generations.

londons_explore

5 months ago

It's unclear if interim leaders should exist at all

Wouldn't it be best for the country to be leaderless, with no laws being made and all existing government departments continuing their work under the same set of budgets and instructions as before until a new leader is selected by the election department?

qgin

5 months ago

Even with no new laws, most countries still have non-automatic decisions to be made just as part of the structure.

jongjong

5 months ago

I'm hereby announcing my candidacy for world leader. I'll be running on a populist platform of self-enrichment. My first executive order will be to give myself access to unlimited money. Then I will use the money to acquire and/or launch tech companies and use price-gouging and predatory lending techniques to run all major corporations out of business. Then I will proclaim myself "The most cunning entrepreneur in the world" and I will write a book and give inspirational talks about how I did it all by myself without any special advantage. Then I will offer compulsory business advice to all the CEOs of the corporations (which I would have bankrupted) to explain to them that it's their fault they went bankrupt and should have worked harder.

Ylpertnodi

5 months ago

If you politician bastards would just stick to your promises, I'd vote for you.

grumple

5 months ago

A discord server with 150k people whose identity or nation of origin are not verified, where only 8000 people voted. This is as illegitimate an election as they come. Come literally just have been elected by Russian (or any other) bots.

ACCount37

5 months ago

You'd be surprised, but there are numerous governments that claim to be democratic - while having a much weaker claim to democracy than "the current acting prime minister was elected by 8000 unverified randos in a snap election online".

Outside the comfy first world, the bar for government sanity can get extremely low.

schrototo

5 months ago

It wasn’t an election. One of the more prominent youth groups involved in the protests used Discord to organize and decide internally which leader they should endorse and suggest to the president and army leadership. No one was directly elected on Discord.

ytch

5 months ago

Military of Nepal want to make an agreement with the activists, rather than the Nepali.

Therefore activists need suggesting a representative of the groups. IMHO a private voting is fine in this case.

113

5 months ago

Presumably if people aren't happy about it they'll just continue to revolt.

Yeul

5 months ago

Just wait until you hear America picked a president because of a TV show...

hackeraccount

5 months ago

Would that the country were as simple as electing someone because of a TV show.

Timwi

5 months ago

As did Ukraine!

mrits

5 months ago

A little education would go a long way here

FilosofumRex

5 months ago

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nature010101

5 months ago

resulted in about 7000 prisoners escaping jail. A lot of them surrendered and were captured but It is unsafe out here in a long long time.

kryptiskt

5 months ago

It's kind of ironic that a nominally communistic government doesn't believe that the people have agency to act on their own, guess it reflects their own fears. I hope Xi lies sleepless at night worrying about the Chinese people getting rid of him.

seydor

5 months ago

i ve been waiting for democracies to go digital for ages. We should be electing mayors like that too. there s no reason for all this gatekeeping and secrecy in politics other than to enable corruption

croon

5 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's two competing issues here:

1) You could make digital elections secure with issued digital IDs, and simply recording everyone's vote and it would be easily auditable.

But no one wants elections where (the contents of) your vote is recorded somewhere.

So 2) You use your digital ID to be able to vote once, but if you're no longer connected to your vote, it would be much more susceptible to tampering if you can't establish a double blind chain of custody of the votes, which is what expensive in person voting is doing very well.

The first option would be great if you could somehow guarantee a corruption free future of your country where no one will come after you for your vote (hint: you can't).

mfru

5 months ago

because there is no safe way to vote digitally

fivestones

5 months ago

This also makes me wonder what could be done to make discord (or something similar) a better venue for direct democracy. I know the circumstances in Nepal were exceptional, but I wonder if we will see other countries experiment with Discord for similar purposes. It seems like in Nepal they have essentially used it as a caucus, and I wonder if this could be shaped into a better way to elect leaders (or even legislate directly) than what most of the world is doing.

My wife and I were talking about this today and we thought it's possible that what has just happened in Nepal is at least in some sense the most democratic thing any country has ever done.

perihelions

5 months ago

> "in some sense the most democratic thing any country has ever done"

How is one faction holding an internal vote to impose rule on the rest of the people, who have no representation, anything at all like a democracy?

viraptor

5 months ago

Discord is a place you get randomly banned forever and that cannot be reliably linked to your real identity. It's really not a place anyone should rely on for any real world actions. (And I'm even skipping basics like transparency and future audits)

userbinator

5 months ago

An IRC server or even a mailing list seems far better suited to the purpose than a notoriously closed and proprietary platform.

sinuhe69

5 months ago

Liquid democracy is a total viable platform. But Discord is better in so far as it can be used for all kinds of things and conversations, not just for voting or debates.

ACCount37

5 months ago

Taiwan has been trying to develop web platforms explicitly for facilitating democratic decision-making. Might be something to look into.

Discord is a spectacularly bad fit for that, it was probably only used because the timetable was short and "it was there" and "everyone already had it".

mongol

5 months ago

> My wife and I were talking about this today and we thought it's possible that what has just happened in Nepal is at least in some sense the most democratic thing any country has ever done.

I don't see that argument at all. What was so democratic about it? Violent overthrowal of the government may sometimes be justified, but it is not an act of democracy.

stavros

5 months ago

I agree, but I don't know if a closed platform could ever be suitable for this.

iamgopal

5 months ago

I daydream about a open source peer reviewed system, that can process votes, control, manage government at every level through general public and open voting system. Distributing control ultimately.

3np

5 months ago

Seems a bit vulnerable to subversion of the host (and/or its government) once they decide to pay attention (or even through negligence; imagine a minister being banned because of some ML false-positive).

If the format is to be sustainable, they will need to find or found a different platform.

numpad0

5 months ago

IMO, the superflat architecture is the opposite of maximum inclusion. The luckiest kid always wins the debate. Ensuring hierarchical mobility by allowing weaker players bunch of small wins is key.

rimprobablyly

5 months ago

Well I discussed it with my wife and extended family. We all agreed it was a terrible idea.

fennecbutt

5 months ago

Yeah, a mob is a mob. Us human beings are despicable to each other tbh.

nerdright

5 months ago

Blockchain is well suited for this. Polymarket really proved that blockchain can be useful beyond crypto, especially when trust is at stake.