dylan604
3 days ago
I love how we try to recreate things that are errors to add realism to something too clean. I've spent many hours in front of tape machines from analog to digital, and each format has its peculiarities when glitching. The analog formats had drop outs and other noise from the analog nature as well as things like head switching. There were also the various methods of drop out compensation like BCSP that would repeat the last good line which could lead to some interesting "smearing". Then there are other things that get imitated like when a monitor would lose sync and you'd see the horizontal/vertical blanking rolling through the screen or lose one of or swap the UV channels. The digital tape formats that had DCT blocks started displaying what this glitch art is inspired by (for lack of better phrasing). So for someone this "inside baseball", it would be a problem when these issues happened so it takes a second to get over the initial "oh no that needs to be fixed" to "that looks cool!"
v9v
3 days ago
"Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided. It’s the sound of failure: so much modern art is the sound of things going out of control, of a medium pushing to its limits and breaking apart. The distorted guitar sound is the sound of something too loud for the medium supposed to carry it. The blues singer with the cracked voice is the sound of an emotional cry too powerful for the throat that releases it. The excitement of grainy film, of bleached-out black and white, is the excitement of witnessing events too momentous for the medium assigned to record them." -Brian Eno
xattt
2 days ago
My HAM radio instructor (VE3XT) was a transmitter engineer who lamented the resurgence of tube amps in the 2000s. He said that what young people call “warmth” in sound is distortion that his kinfolk worked tirelessly to eliminate.
I didn’t understand it at first, and then I saw the growing interest in compact cassettes and was metaphorically tearing out my hair.
diggan
2 days ago
> Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature
Exactly how I feel about AI art today, and doesn't make me super hopeful for the future. Hopefully there been cases where that hasn't been true?
But then I remember seeing datamoshing as weird the first times I saw it used as a transition in the "Off the Air" TV series/anthology, nowadays I think it makes me fuzzy and almost nostalgic instead?
hapidjus
2 days ago
Looking forward to cherishing “You are absolutely correct, let me fix that…”
dvfjsdhgfv
2 days ago
> CD distortion
Care to elaborate on that?
v9v
2 days ago
It's a quote, so I can only speculate. Maybe he was referring to the effects caused by scratching or other damage on the disk?
FirmwareBurner
2 days ago
> CD distortion
WHAT?!
Maybe you mean the dynamic range clipping caused from the bad mastering that happened during the loudness wars, but CD as a medium is impossible to have audio distortion due to its impressive 44.1 kHz sample rate at 16 bit depth.
privatelypublic
2 days ago
You speak of "The Loudness Wars." It was a fully intentional choice made by people who knew exactly what they were doing. For the most part, bowing down to label pressure to let people think their stereo is louder.
Except for the guy who did Red Hot Chili Peppers' albums. He was known for compressing sound, and turned it to 12 for the loudness wars. Californication is the poster-child of the issue for a reason.
FirmwareBurner
2 days ago
How does that contradict what I said?
wahnfrieden
2 days ago
It doesn’t. Conversation isn’t debate
FirmwareBurner
2 days ago
Right, my bad I misunderstood.
privatelypublic
2 days ago
No offense taken here. Maybe my tone was confrontational without reason.
floam
3 days ago
Composer William Basinski’s deteriorating analog tape loops: disintegration loops