al_borland
5 months ago
I prefer a debit card to a credit card. I like seeing what I actually have in my accounts without having to worry about future payments for past purchases. I also like that the balance goes down instead of up when money is spent. The way credit cards display the balance feels like a physiological trick, and I’m sure it’s intentional.
I do still have one credit card to maintain my credit score, just because I ran into several annoying situations early in life when I didn’t have a credit history at all. I use it for stuff I have on auto-pay, and the bill gets auto-paid, so I never have to look at it or think about it, so I can avoid most of their attempted manipulation.
bediger4000
5 months ago
Even if you have and use a debit card, you should use it as a credit card, for better consumer protection. Run as a credit card, I believe some scams and bad purchases can be refunded. Run as a debit card, you are pretty much out of luck on a scam purchase.
The charge to the merchant is higher for credit card than debit card transactions: merchants prefer you to use a debit card as such.
Always skip entering your PIN if you can.
We wouldn't have these problems if we hadn't privatized our electronic money. The US government runs check clearing and that's either free or nearly free, which is why businesses want you to do ACH if they can get you to, especially for subscriptions.
PaulHoule
5 months ago
I used a debit card to pay for gas once, had it put a hold on my account that made other payments not go through. Haven’t used a debit card ever since. Paid my credit card bill in full almost every time except for maybe two or three emergencies where I had it paid up the next month.
al_borland
5 months ago
The holds on gas are usually under $100 I think, maybe around $100 or so these days. I keep enough in reserve that I never notice an issues with that. I always like having healthy buffers.
I have always paid my credit card in full every month and never had a problem with debt biting me. I just don't like the games they play, and I prefer spending the money I have rather than borrowing for the sake of borrowing. The credit card creates some metal overhead that I don't find necessary.
PaulHoule
5 months ago
I’ve been told it depends on your bank and that it was probably worse when it happened to me but it’s the kind of experience that will change your behavior permanently.
galaxy_gas
5 months ago
When I was travel in US, it was usually 200$ or 300$ exact amount (in credit card), and it took a week + to drop off.
al_borland
5 months ago
Ah, I haven’t looked in a while. I keep the buffer on the debit card I use daily at around $1k. When it hits that threshold I move another $1k over. It generally sits between $750 and $2k, so I wouldn’t notice a $200-300 hold here or there.
galaxy_gas
5 months ago
I don't like keeping much in debit but, I imagine the vast majority of the US does not have the financial capability to eat a $200-300 hold for multiple business days, excluding the typical HN demographic users...
PaulHoule
5 months ago
I think in my case was a little worse than just that. If I remember right it was when I didn't own a car and I had rented a car to do a long drive so it wasn't like I just got a hold from buying gas once but I probably bought gas for or five times on a weekend so it was more than just one hold. At the time I lowballed my checking account to optimize getting interest in my savings account. I had enough money to cover it all in my savings but only had about $1k in my checking. I think my credit union was putting on $300 holds per gas filling event at that time, people tell me the amount and timing of the holds is variable based on your bank or credit union.
galaxy_gas
5 months ago
My understanding it is a based on the business, and only business day counts in the drop off time for the hold. Such as if you stop in american truck station to refuel they may place a 500$ hold but a station that is exclusively used for vehicles that never go past 50 may be find it acceptable risk to perform a sub-200 hold.
But the release time is up to the bank.