Removing yellow stains from fabric with blue light

63 pointsposted 4 days ago
by bookofjoe

44 Comments

emsign

32 minutes ago

This is basic low tech from centuries ago, people used to spread out wet sheets on fields of tall grass.

I dry my linens outside (I'm not American), and no chemical bleach beats the effectiveness of the sun turning oxygen and water to peroxide.

jondea

5 hours ago

I'm surprised it isn't mentioned in the article, but you can get rid of yellow stains by putting your clothes out in the sun.

davidhyde

2 hours ago

> “ After heating the swatches to simulate aging, they treated the samples for 10 minutes, by soaking them in a hydrogen peroxide solution or exposing them to the blue LED or UV light. The blue light reduced the yellow stain substantially more than hydrogen peroxide or UV exposure. In fact, UV exposure generated some new yellow-colored compounds.”

They did test with UV light. The sun is broadband (it will have both blue light and uv light) so it works to a degree. The insight is that uv generates some new yellow coloured compounds and only using blue light prevents this.

goda90

9 minutes ago

A light filtering glass cover that lets blue through but not UV could work for the while still using sunlight.

prism56

3 hours ago

Was going to say. This is very well known way to get poo stains out of reusable nappies and baby wipes.

contrarian1234

3 hours ago

A bit of a naiive question, but does this age the clothing?

For instance "color-bleach" (which I guess is peroxide with other stuff) makes cloths disintegrate if used too often

Guestmodinfo

an hour ago

I'm not a chemist but my two cents because I studied a course of Industrial Inorganic Chemistry in my college. My professor of that course used to say Hydrogen Peroxide is a very strong carcinogen. So I hate every Tom Dick n Harry that yaps about the goodness of Hydrogen Peroxide on YouTube or elsewhere without mentioning that it will give you cancer even in small amounts. And yes UV disintegrates the fibres so the more you keep your clothes in the sun or in UV then they will look old. Source: I live in India with too much UV andif I keep anything under the sun for a couple of days then it looks old or atleast no more new to be worn fashionably.

jama211

2 hours ago

The sun isn’t a blue LED

refurb

3 hours ago

What’s old is new again!

When I lived overseas my laundry was often dried in the sun and it’s amazing how fast the color is bleached out.

pmontra

26 minutes ago

The report linked into the post gives an extra piece of information, the Watts.

> 445 nm; 1.25 W/cm2

MattBearman

4 hours ago

I wonder if this is related to yellowing plastics? Retr0brighting with peroxide and sunbriting (putting yellowed plastics out in the sun) are already common treatments in the retro community. I’ll have to give it a try on some of my old hardware

emsign

20 minutes ago

This changes the best practice for retr0brighting from using UV or sunlight to 445nm blue LED. I already knew from anecdotes that sunlight seemed more effective than a UV lamp. People assumed it was the extra heat, which may or may not still be a contributing factor, but I guess it's the blue light prt of the sun's spectrum.

dahrkael

3 hours ago

isnt the sun the one yellowing those plastics?

jama211

2 hours ago

UV can trigger the chemical reactions within the plastics that yellow the plastics, but UV + peroxide does a different chemical reaction to bleach them.

emsign

26 minutes ago

Both is true

iwontberude

2 hours ago

Exactly my first thought, thank you for trying it!

donperignon

3 hours ago

This is old common knowledge, why this is a paper? Everyone knows that exposing the clothes to the sun cleans many types of stains.

alias_neo

3 hours ago

It's news to me that the sun is blue!

Jokes aside, I suppose it's novel in the sense that it can be achieved with artificial _blue_ light.

My understanding was that it was various forms of UV from the sun that caused "bleaching", whereas the paper points out that it is not UV in this case, and in fact, the UV can cause additional staining.

EDIT: Edited for grammar.

blensor

an hour ago

I haven't read the paper only looked at the first page with the two sheets, but I think the novel idea here is that it's using complementary colors.

Take a color that is maximally absorbed by the stain and thus get the most energy into it without affecting too much else.

I wonder if that would work with other colors as well.

alias_neo

13 minutes ago

It's an interesting idea, and how it would work with colours other than "bleached" would be the interesting part.

Presumably it wouldn't work on black without fading the garment, but given how we've seen things fade in shop windows, I wonder if there's some novel applications for removing other types of intentional "stains" like ink, or paint, and particularly if they're under/behind a surface like a clear-coat or glass or something else that prevents physical access.

blensor

10 minutes ago

I wonder if you could remove blue ink with yellow light. Specifically residue from ballpoint pens on furniture.

Reubachi

40 minutes ago

I am a common "poo-pooer" of bad submissions on here, and comments not in good faith

But this paper taught me something I had no idea about as a 33 year old. Also in the comment chain someone mentioned/brought up using peroxide/sunlight to clear up old yellowed plastics which is....monumental to some of my projects :)

emsign

15 minutes ago

Be warned though that retr0brighting is an art. If done unevenly it looks worse than before.

llm_nerd

an hour ago

Ultraviolet light is ionizing. Things oxidize and often whiten in sun because the UV light (the part of the UV spectrum as you go below ~315nm) ionizes and causes chemical reactions, in most cases by splitting O2 which is then charged O atoms that want to react with things.

445nm light isn't ionizing at any brightness, and shouldn't be catalyzing oxidation. Didn't look at it in detail but what is their claim on mechanism?

aeonfox

an hour ago

So are they going to put blue LEDs in clothes dryers now?

colechristensen

4 hours ago

> The blue light reduced the yellow stain substantially more than hydrogen peroxide or UV exposure. In fact, UV exposure generated some new yellow-colored compounds.

Here's the key piece of information for me, it's not just light doing this or higher energy blue being close enough to UV to get things done, the blue light tested outperforms UV at destroying some of these yellowing compounds.

It would be nice in followup research to see Figure S8 [1] with an additional dimension for irradiation with various frequencies, not just 445 nm.

It looks like Amazon has some "therapy bulbs"[2] close to the correct frequency for $30, now I wish I hadn't thrown away some of those old yellowed pillows so I could do some science.

1. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssuschemeng.5c03907

2. https://www.amazon.com/Aumtrly-Light-Therapy-Irradiance-Cove...

cladopa

4 hours ago

My grandmother already did that putting clothes in the sun of Spain.

amelius

3 hours ago

Nice, but I need to remove coffee stains from like 10 different shirts

N_Lens

5 hours ago

I suppose this also ages the cloth/material given that the color is getting oxidised similar to normal bleaching.

Etheryte

4 hours ago

I would not expect the effects to be in the same ballpark. Bleaching is very harsh, to the point where I wouldn't want to put my hand in a jug of bleach. I could imagine holding my hand up to a strong light. Sure, it might get too hot or too uncomfortable eventually, but at least in my mind, I would expect it to be lesser (so long as we don't talk about a literal deathray lamp).

contrarian1234

3 hours ago

... have you never washed your own clothing?

You don't use concentrated bleach on clothing... You diluted it. It's only provided concentrated for storage convenience

ljsprague

3 hours ago

Does it work on sunscreen related orange-ing? i.e. Avobenzone and iron?

oulipo2

5 hours ago

Is there a practical way today to use their findings with stuff we can buy at an hardware store?

donperignon

3 hours ago

Don’t buy anything. Use the sun, for the moment it’s free.

ZeroGravitas

3 hours ago

Given the bits about UV, using the sun plus a glass window might be better?

I think standard glass blocks UVB and car windscreens often block UVA and UVB.

jama211

2 hours ago

Or existing oxygen based cleaning products. The sun can cause other damage, it’s a balance

amelius

3 hours ago

You can buy blue led strips just about everywhere.

delfinom

4 hours ago

Buy some diy flashlight kit. There's an entire community of people that build flashlights for fun and hence a ecosystem of parts.

Then put in the strongest 455mm wavelength diode you can find off Digikey that fits the kit parts.

unwind

4 hours ago

*nm, as in nanometers.