raspyberr
5 months ago
It's funny that this roguelike is advertised as a roguelite and most roguelites are advertised as roguelikes.
mcv
5 months ago
Yeah, the word "roguelike" seems to have rapidly lost its meaning these past couple of years.
darkfloo
5 months ago
It was always pretty nebulous, relevant video by DoshDoshington https://youtu.be/FT6XfaHgyh0?si=xayqzhkkmYjB4_UC
dolni
5 months ago
No, it wasn't always nebulous. Roguelike was a well-established genre for decades before it got hijacked and now means nothing.
Like all genres, games within the roguelike genre (or what some people call "traditional roguelikes") have some variance. But if you played two games in the "traditional roguelike" genre, you'd definitely feel the similarities.
These days if you pick two random games on Steam with the "roguelike" tag, you're going to get two experiences which are not even reminiscent of the other.
0x01FE
5 months ago
Great video
GuB-42
5 months ago
Nowadays, roguelike = permadeath + procedural generation, roguelite = roguelike with some elements that carry over the next game.
The actual roguelikes that look like Rogue: text based, turn-by-turn dungeon crawlers are often now called "traditional roguelikes".
At first glance, it looks like a traditional roguelike, but maybe some elements carry over, putting it in the "roguelite" territory.
mcv
5 months ago
What do you mean by "carry over"? Even in Nethack, you can find the graves of previous characters.
dolni
5 months ago
The meaning degraded much earlier than just a couple years ago. People thought it was cool so they latched onto it. It seems like that process started 7-8 years ago, maybe even a bit further back.
jghn
5 months ago
I played a *lot* of rogue in the early 80s. I can't remember a single game marketed as a "roguelike" that I've played that reminded me of playing rogue.
mcv
5 months ago
I haven't played Rogue, but I've played a lot of Moria, Nethack, and AdoM. Those are what I think of when I hear "Roguelike", although even AdoM might be stretching it a bit with its massive non-random outdoor area.
Der_Einzige
5 months ago
The term for OG roguelikes is the "Berlin interpretation" of roguelikes.