Hard to say without due process. Takes time to go through courts if it even does.

https://www.openice.org/

Illegally detaining a single US citizen is one too many.

Here is an article about the topic: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/tracking-us-citizens...

There's a 2011 study linked there but as others mentioned, hard to track without due process.

I mean that's kind of the problem of avoiding the court system as much as they can. There is no stats, who knows

Elimination of the incentives is the correct solution, yet solving the problem correctly is often harder and more time consuming than just saying you solved it. These raids are public and chaotic and easy, and then you can just claim to have solved the problem, which works just fine for them. You see, politically, the incentives are not to solve the problem because we believe the lies they tell.

Quick google found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_(song)

Never listened to this song though.

Slave labor, perhaps: https://snyder.substack.com/p/concentration-camp-labor

Plan?

no, they're (illegally) using a private intake system to bypass the courts.

In case you're serious about the question, the answer is a yes.

Emphasis mine.

> Seventy-five percent of the prisoners in U.S. Marshals custody are detained in state, local and _private_ facilities; the remainder are housed in Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) facilities.

https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/prisoners/operation/cu...

Here is another source:

> The U.S. Marshals Service detains about 60,000 people a day who are awaiting federal trial or sentencing. While it doesn't operate jails, it does partner with public and private detention facilities. The service assesses detention conditions at these facilities.

> We found shortcomings in its oversight. For example, many deputies who reviewed state and local facilities hadn't received required training. Additionally, some facilities didn't meet some standards for 3 years in a row, including food safety standards.

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106348

No, but the feds still rent prisoners out for forced labor. The profits merely go to someone else.

Stopped via EO (Biden) in November 2022.

Trump can easily start using them again, should he care to do so.

US Code appears to disagree:

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Ref: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

Depending on the circumstances, the mood of a Federal agent, and of a prosecutor it could be charged either civilly or criminally. The sibling comment explains this better than I could.

Stepping past the direct offense of being here, one must ask how are they supporting themselves financially? Assuming they are workers, they’re either not paying taxes (a crime) or stealing the identity of a citizen in order to fool an employer. Now they are at least paying taxes, but they’ve victimized a lawful resident or Citizen. This is far from a victimless crime, it took my mother two years to fully clear her name after this occurred to her identity. The IRS and credit agencies are not very understanding.

Improper entry is a criminal offense (crossing the border illegally, etc.)... unlawful presence (overstaying a visa, etc.) is a civil offense.

You should clarify what you mean by undocumented. "Oops I lost my passport somewhere" is very different from "I lack documentation because I crossed the border illegally."

That's a great point, and I didn't think of that. Taxes should allow you to admit to any crimes with zero repercussions. If you list income from your child prostitution ring, it should be illegal to save the children because it violates the sanctity of CPA-client privilege.

Actually, NOT going after undocumented people via their taxes won't achieve the intended effect you're hoping for. Instead it will backfire in unintended ways even more.

There, now we've made equally irrefutable claims.

There is no contract between taxpayer and government. We use "the social contract" as a polite euphemism for the terms of tyranny we live under.

Real contracts offer a chance for all signatories to consider the terms and the opportunity for either party to reject the terms and not be bound to them.

You'll note that you never had the choice to decline "the social contract", because again, it wasn't a contract you agreed to, it was the terms of tyranny you were being made aware of.

Just to be clear, you're preaching to the choir. My preference would be for the entire intelligence community along with the rest of the entirety of the US federal government being dismantled as swiftly as is peacefully possible.

That said, most people here do not agree with me, most are statists who fundamentally enjoy kissing a boot stamping on the face of human freedom, they just have the delusion that their tribe is the good one and they're engaged in a fundamentally righteous and just conquest to crush the evildoers in the other tribe.

So we'll keep playing this stupid game where each side takes turns whacking the other side with the stick of government power, rather than acknowledging that we'd all be better off if we grew up, acted like adults, threw the stick away, and stopped taking turns trying to injure the other with it.

they're not doing it to be successful, they're doing it to create an unimpeachable internal security force

Every info aggregator (including ones that post crap online) already has both bits of info and associates them.

Go ahead, do some searches on yourself - I had accurate addresses and poboxes I’d long since forgotten about.

A simple what? "subpoena"? Is that like a new term for a bulk database retrieval?

Some rich folks trying to avoid random googlers isn't quite the same as trying to avoid ICE's ire.

Krebs on Security talked about this. He kept getting death threats and swat'd.

You setup corporations who own your shit. The mortgage and house ownership is handled by the corp. You own the corp, and in some cases there is an umbrella corp that owns other corps.

The corporation then rents you your house. Mortgage and related points back to the corpo address, and you use a PO Box for personal stuff.

Ditto for phones, domains, etc. -- run through the company.

A step further, homeowners are public information. You can even look up the records online for free on county treasurer websites.

Not everybody owns a home, particularly the transient workers who would be concerned with ICE.

It might help obscure your physical address in public records and keep private companies from finding it as easily, but yeah, it's not going to keep the government-wide database from locating you.

What is a PMB?

Wasn't it auto-filling that got killed recently? IIRC TurboTax has to provide free filing service along with their paid services, but they employ a ton of dark patterns to steer people into the paying parts