Marc Andreesen says universities will 'pay the price' for DEI

48 pointsposted 12 hours ago
by perihelions

45 Comments

dahart

8 hours ago

I wonder why Andreesen doesn’t suggest public funding of higher education, instead of fighting DEI. If education was free for all Americans, it would achieve what he’s arguing for and it would undermine and make DEI efforts completely moot. As far as I can tell, we can afford to fund university for all entirely on the extra income taxes that people with degrees make above people without degrees, at least according to income data studies I’ve read from the Fed. (I’m honestly curious why our country hasn’t come to this conclusion already - it certainly looks today like funding higher education for all would increase GDP and reduce the tax burden.)

UncleMeat

8 hours ago

He also writes that the NSF should experience "the bureaucratic death penalty."

Andreesen doesn't actually give a shit about the university system whatsoever. He wants people like him to be at the top of society and everybody else to grovel at his feet.

arp242

35 minutes ago

Last year he wrote in his "techno-optimist manifesto" that anyone delaying roll-out of AI is guilty of murder. Andreesen has tons of investment in AI and stands to make loads of money from it. Completely unrelated, I am sure. He also said that growth through AI has no upper bounds. Obviously not mathematically possible. Maybe he's Jack Kennedy too now.

He is a deeply unserious person seemingly becoming more unserious by the day.

hollerith

8 hours ago

Even better: college degrees for everyone

chomp

8 hours ago

That’s what the parent commenter is saying, if everyone has the same opportunity to go to college and get a degree, then colleges don’t need to pick and choose students. Right now, only people with means can do to college, and so universities wind up balancing the scales.

dahart

8 hours ago

Yes, that’s definitely what I’m suggesting. Did I accidentally imply something else? I feel like taking the whether someone can afford college off the table would just immediately end this DEI argument and give Americans a boost. Why isn’t Adreesen fighting for that?

malcolmgreaves

8 hours ago

Most likely it’s because he doesn’t actually want what he claims. Billionaires become corrupted by their wealth. Like a junkie, they need their fix. And their fix is to see their wealth increase.

davidw

9 hours ago

Guy who owes his fortune to public funding of research wants to tear it all down.

davidw

9 hours ago

arp242

26 minutes ago

I remember when the video first came out and EVERYONE was up in arms about it. Left, right, centre, far-right. People normally ranting about Deep State Democratic Nazi Communist Satan cult led by extreme-left Muslim Barrack HUSSEIN Obama were up in arms about it. Everyone. That's because it showed, at best, a wilful shocking disregard for someone in clear distress not just in the heat of the moment, but calmly for ten long minutes.

It's absolutely unreal how politicised it became.

davidw

18 minutes ago

Yeah, to your point, Mitt Romney marched in a George Floyd protest.

cameldrv

8 hours ago

Yeah specifically NCSA where he and Eric Bina developed Mosaic was created by an NSF grant.

jbverschoor

9 hours ago

Bs.. DEI is simply toxic discrimination against non-DEI.

It has nothing to do with equality and it promotes helplessness

DoctorOW

8 hours ago

A friend of mine involved with the Coast Guard lemented someone who was fired in Trump's DEI purge. She was hard working, and well respected by those who worked for her, but she was a woman so she was deemed "without merit".

The problem I have with the anti-DEI stuff is that they have no means of proving merit. They're just seeing someone who is a minority and imagining a more qualified white guy.

ethbr1

6 hours ago

The truth here is that bureaucracies are shit at implementing nuance -- they'll do DEI poorly; they'll do anti-DEI poorly.

The original point of merit exams wasn't that they were objective, but that they were outside bureaucratic control, which ended up producing better results than the status quo.

Anti-DEI especially is being implemented in such a rapid manner that it's no surprise incompetent people are making bad calls, because nobody will question them if it's "anti-DEI".

Such is the great harm of strong beliefs + groupthink: they justify bad decisions by covering them as compliant decisions.

UncleMeat

8 hours ago

Andreesen says that its been 60 years of "discrimination" against white people. My alma mater didn't even admit women in 1965. He says that immigration is "discrimination." The world he pines for is a world of explicit and massive discrimination against women and non-whites.

Andreesen is calling for the NSF to be destroyed. What does that have to do with DEI? The Trump administration is demanding that universities expressly hire conservatives as faculty and admit conservatives as students. Where's Andreesen's concern about this?

If Andreesen gives a shit about merit, why'd a16z hire Daniel Penny when his entire "qualification" is killing somebody on the subway?

jeffbee

7 hours ago

White people are so inferior that they can't compete fair and square with anyone. That is the logical conclusion of what pmarca is saying.

skywhopper

9 hours ago

You have been misinformed about what DEI is and does. Folks like Andreessen are outright liars. It’s not reverse discrimination. It’s an attempt to level the playing field.

jbverschoor

9 hours ago

No I don’t think I am. We had it in the Netherlands for over 20-30 years. It was called “positieve discriminatie”.

It was supposed to level the playing field for people who are just as/more capable, but did not even get considered.

Instead of that, they don’t consider others anymore, nor do they care about actual capabilities.

It’s very simple… politics set policies by rewarding and punishing with taxes. Companies will “game” anything to reach certain numbers.

gjsman-1000

9 hours ago

… by reverse discrimination in many companies.

Changing words doesn’t change practice. Inventing words like “unhoused” doesn’t fix “homeless.”

John23832

9 hours ago

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gjsman-1000

9 hours ago

> At this point references to DEI and "woke" are signals

Quite the opposite: it’s a mark of low intelligence to pretend that people need to have perfectly articulated labels for a phenomenon they are expressing irritation with.

It’s okay to walk into the doctor saying “I’m feeling pains in my stomach” without the doctor yelling at you that it’s actually a kidney issue, idiot.

John23832

9 hours ago

To continue your euphemism, the doctor then tells you to stop eating junk food, but you dismiss them and continue to yell about bad humors and black bile.

Sometimes you have to work on you and it's not some conspiratorial force against you.

This is all incredibly ironic coming from the party/side of self-sufficiency and bootstrapping.

gjsman-1000

9 hours ago

Sometimes it actually is provably a conspiratorial force against you, 100%, and those who stand to benefit from the conspiracy will certainly not be honest about that.

They can only be held accountable by losing lawsuits- which has caused even Google to drop all DEI targets due to repeatedly illegal practices.

John23832

8 hours ago

> those who stand to benefit from the conspiracy will certainly not be honest about that.

The same could be said about your position as well, you'd lie to get a leg up.

Nobody has to/or should believe that you are some benevolently honest being. If anything, it should be assumed that people are self interested and support the way their "bread is buttered".

That should make it even MORE clear that we should focus on improving ourselves rather than fighting foils.

> They can only be held accountable by losing lawsuits- which has caused even Google to drop all DEI targets due to repeatedly illegal practices.

Major companies are dropping DEI because it's en-vouge with the current admin. Nothing inherent to the policies. If you can't see that incentive, I personally think you're delusional.

gjsman-1000

8 hours ago

Nonsense; I believe in doing both.

I will happily work on myself, while suing the living daylights out of any company that dares to illegally discriminate against any race; White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, you name it. I will also do everything in my power to pierce the corporate veil on the individual people involved.

If you illegally discriminate, I don’t even care if I win, if I cost you $70K in legal bills before we settle. That’s punishment enough and I’m all for it.

John23832

8 hours ago

>I will happily work on myself, while suing the living daylights out of any company that dares to illegally discriminate against any race; White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, you name it. I will also do everything in my power to pierce the corporate veil on the individual people involved.

Excuse me for not believing this.

>If you illegally discriminate, I don’t even care if I win, if I cost you $70K in legal bills before we settle. That’s punishment enough and I’m all for it.

And this is my point. Your purpose is to fight the foil. You just want to exact vengeance. You have no good will in any of this. You're openly saying that your goal isn't to affect any kind of positive change.

electricboots

6 hours ago

kneecapping corps for being racist seems like a reasonable use of the legal system all things considered, no?

jaybrendansmith

8 hours ago

It's very simple in my opinion. The discrimination we have in the US is all about wealth, not diversity. If we shift all DEI to simply focus on those who don't come from wealth, we will have solved discrimination without resorting to subjective racial or ethnic or sexual qualifications.

ethbr1

5 hours ago

That's been a sub-strain of post election US Democrat thinking: that it should be more about poor vs rich and less about identity.

Unfortunately, there's a large cottage industry that hitched their careers / thought leadership to identity and are fighting it tooth and nail.

Imho, it's pretty obvious and simple. Two poor folks have more in common with each other these days than the poor with the rich, whatever combination of other identities.

drcongo

6 hours ago

This is low key genius.

drcongo

9 hours ago

Why is anyone still listening to this arsehole.

jmclnx

8 hours ago

The title should be "The US will pay the price for the insane policies of Trump". I have a name for this guy, but I do not want to get banned :)

felixgallo

9 hours ago

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gjsman-1000

9 hours ago

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malcolmgreaves

8 hours ago

No, they’re not losing lawsuits.

And no, they are indeed solely focused on improving diversity in a fair manner.

If you’re white and you think you are being discriminated against because of your skin color, did you ever stop to think that perhaps you are simply not receiving the benefit of your skin color as much as your parents did?

Or maybe consider: because you now have to compete against a wider pool, your skills just don’t measure up as well?